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Class: Magician

Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

A1: Stuns and slow. Why? cause magicians really depend on stuns and slow when it comes to pvp. I use stun and slow to support the killers who have itds (Serkers/Mercs/Warlocks)


[b]Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill[/b]

A2: Slows, as mages, having ice skills, we would want to have more skills that reduces movement speed. Chilling shock 2 and crippling magic arent enough especially if the opponent has instant mounts. The skill "spirit step" that gives extra mspd to magicians, can it just be changed to increased cast time? Just like warlock's "spiritual blessing skill"

Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?
A3: As a magician myself, i'm having more difficulty to fight against Mercenaries, Serkers and Healers (particularly Sages)

Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

A4: Why Mercenaries? They have that anti stun skill, (Warrior's will- 15 secs stun immunity) thus reducing are chances to win. (Magicians rely on stuns and slow to kill people, as a magician myself, i would like to suggest to put an Ignore defense skill for us. But some said that it would be too OP and no one would play warlocks anymore 'cause they said Stun+itd=GG LOL) I would also like to suggest to increase the protective shield power of Ice shield (if you can't make an increase on the ice shield, even reducing the cooldown will do, i guess?) it's just ridiculous for us to have only 20k why? A good serker can hit me 19-21k with ignore def. and a good merc can hit me 20-21k with the invoke on, making that ice shield useless cause it takes 1 hit for a good merc/serk to remove it instantly. Magicians' survivability i think it's fair it's just that the ice shield is somewhat low.

Why Healers? (Sage) Those blue circles + their mdef makes us useless against them in 1v1 As i said, we rely on Stuns and Slow. Magicians against sages are ridiculously unfair. They can just sit on that blue circle. even if we glitch like hell, wouldnt make a change, they would just heal themselves and place blue circles again.

Please take a few moments to answer a few questions about your class in PVP.


Your class: mercenary


Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

both skill and stat..

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

i think the skill "annihilate 2" should be cast automatically without casting "devided 2" so it would be easier.

Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

i think berserker class. and mage types.

Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

for berserker- because their silence and stun are a bit too long.
for mage types- their knock back skills are really annoying

Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.


Important skill: wind fortification and elemental explosure, but too bad this two skill can make wallorck more powerfull, coz elemental explosure only give lower magic defend.
Magic depletion its so important but never see this skill can remove 3 buff, always only 1 buff, dont know what wrong with this one

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

wallrock hav too much bug i think, wallrock hav meteor shower bug, sometimes we cant move or cast any skill that really so annoying, we should use task manager to shut down before my char die coz cant log out either.
Skill: Hastened skill is important skill for wallrock, but too bad only give 30sc, should give more time so wallrock can be more competitive


Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

Adventure and mercenary, cant really touch them


Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.


have stun skill and eva is really dissaster for wallrock, we cast so long and find we miss to hit them

My Class: Warlock

Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

Push back, Aborption, and Magic depleton are 3 important things to Warlock in my opinion


Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

It is lacking the distance of pushback and sometime it doesnt work( i dont know if it should be working that way or not), also DoT dmg is too low, and skill that can stop peolple from chasing or being chased. I think WL also missing debuff buff on Melee 'cause their Itd buff skill is kind of annoying (just opinion)

Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

Mercenary/ Healer/ Berserker/Magician (all Fully equiped)

Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

-Mercenary has a really high chance of Itd invoke + fast atsp + debuff (Range attack immo/ charge immo or stun/etc...). They have also really high HP. Im not quiet sure about if their invoke hit 100% itd ot 75% since they hit really high and dmg same as Berserker 100% itd (it might be right or wrong). Also the CD for invoke itd is really short and it is spammable since the itd last for 20sec(if i remember correctly). Short CD make them really hard to kill with itd invoke almost on all the time (speaking in my exp, it doesnt mean its true). They can also debuff magic/physic buff.
-Healer has too high heal while we deal around 2/3k on Healer while they heal at least 10k+ with shield/aborption buff(Sage) and remove debuff skill(Priest) or remove debuff circle(Sage).
-Berserker of course with their 100% itd buff is quite hard to go against them but they are not as hard as mercenary nowaday. I think they are hard to be killed because high HP + 100% itd ignore def (which make all of our def build up go in vain). They have good skill for chasing with some buff increase movement (this is not really important but it is just a part of it). So even they have long CD time for skill, they are sure hard to kill. They can also debuff magic/physic buff (again if I remember it correctly)
-Magician is hard to kill because it is hard to chase them with all of their stun. A well-play magician can cut you off the chase with the right stun-slow combo as well as stop you from running away with slow-stun combo. I tested it and magician can debuff both buff (magic/physic)

P/S this is all on my opinion doesnt mean it will be true 100%
Have fun with your post people :P everyone has different exp against other classes :P dont judge others :P

"-Magician is hard to key because it is hard to chase them with all of their stun. A well-play magician can cut you off the chase with the right stun-slow combo as well as stop you from running away with slow-stun combo. I tested it and magician can debuff both buff (magic/physic)"

base from your experience against me? AHAHHAHAHAHA

Base on Exp vs KiraKira/November and April u are pcs of cake aqua LOL

Your class: Warlock

Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.
The most important thing to a warlock would be Wind Fortification and Push skills. It is the basic foundation of a warlock to push targets away from hitting him or her, due to their (normally lesser HP). Wind Fortification is self explanatory, its the backbone of survival. I find it unfair most of the time that the mages have a shield that lasts longer and is more spammable than Wind Fort and Grace (which was nerfed to half its supposed time and mind you, also removable with a debuffing.) Kinda pointless n the long run if its not strengthened up in the future classes.

Glitching, is also part of a warlock's arsenal. I know every class has a "glitch" to spam instant skills and deal devastating damages to the target. But for Warlocks its kind of a necessity. We cannot deal as much damage as most DPS do, we also cannot keep the target rooted so they won't run away from us, so for our class, we need to deal with spamming as much as skills as we have possible in order to take a kill. Or else the opportunity is gone. Correct me if I am wrong, but has anybody (using a warlock) kill an experienced person in PK without glitching skills? Think its possible?

If they were AFK maybe. LOL.

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.
Debuff Movement or Skill usages. For locks, I can say that we need to know a lot of trans cards to have the stuns we desire. Unlike Magicians, Mercs, Adv, Berserker...actually, now that I thought about it, every class except for Sage and Lock have an Immobilize or Stun and Silencing in their arsenal of skills. I hardly find that fair now. What do you think?

If we were to suggest. Its mostly debuffs that Locks really lack. We have Magical Depletion to be thoroughly used against magic users, but with their increased def, we cant really kill worth for shite there. Why don't we have a Strength Depletion skill for Strength/Melee buffs? Won't that even our odds against these buffs they have which increase all their speed and ignore defenses? (They get rid of our cast time buffs anyway, why cant we make them have the same problem)

Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?
Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat. (I merged the two for it to be an easy read)

If you mean with using your normal skills as a PKer, using trans and what not, the class we cannot beat would be Healers. This is a no brainer, the magic def, plus healing from them render our damage quite minimal and useless. But, I should comment that this is a stalemate. Its a duel that will go on for HOURS. So I do not know if this counts.

Another group that is difficult to beat would be Mercenaries and Zerks only due to their high HP and damage as well. (As I said in the answer to Q1, unless you know how to spam your skills, you cannot kill these people or even make a dent in them.) think of it as a 60k HP lock with a removable Abs Buff for 15 secs, against a Melee with more ITDs and at least 80k - 100k HP. (I'm doing the HP as the levels of people with Stat IV, VI or BF accs/armor equipped as well for PK) Locks only have ONE ITD which mind you needs a debuff on the target to actually work, pin that against people with more ITDS and all 100% ignore. Pain much?

And people laugh at me when I run. Tsk. Look in the mirror, idiots.

Class: Sage

Q1: Aoe heals/CD.
You would think that our circle would be most useful, but sadly, its not. Pvp requires alot of running/chasing. Our circle just sits there doing absolutely nothing while most of the time we have to chase our target and keep them alive. Circle CAN be useful, AT TIMES, but for the most part, not really. Our aoe heals have pretty fast CD, so when saved for the right situation, its nice to save 3-4 people rather than saving only ONE person.

Q2: Heal
In order to have sufficient heal as a sage, you pretty much have to go full wisdom or you're about as useful as a Knight/Gaurdian. Going full wisdom means you are like paper to zerks/mercs/itd whores, so basically if you're not careful (or suck) you will get dropped like a fly. And even going full wisdom, you still only heal as much as a priest on PVP set. Before priests come qqing at me, take into consideration that Sanction Grace can be removed and most of the time, we sages, don't even use it on ourselves, but to keep our party member alive because our heal is so low.
More AOE heals would compensate for our lack of heal and our crappy circle that is only good for if everyone is standing in one place having a staring contest.

Q3: Priest or Potters

Q4: They heal. They spam Pots.

"if everyone is standing in one place having a staring contest"

Your class: Shadow Walker


Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

debuffskills

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

some damage....
more debuffs


Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

all classes, that are at least a bit op or know what they do ;D


Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

ik sw isn made to be the superkiller n i love debuffing ;D BUT compared to other classes, we dun do much damage (its laughable :< ) and getting atacked by highdamage classes the hp wents down pretty fast too...
another side are the stunskills...stuns can be removed with so many things ig, so they are often useless

I love my sw ;D but i think either the dmgoutput need to get a bit higher or to compansate the lack of damage there need to be more/better debuffskills (theres an igcard,some think is more usefull than me if it comes to it ) :<

so yeah stuns miss, i debuff the random 70k+ hp zerk with superhighdmg, but whatever for?...the dmg i do to it isn worth saying....it hits me down before i can do much^^

your class: Gladiator

Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.
as for skill : ignore deff
as for status : attack speed

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.
as for skill : i think invoke for attack speed, invoked ignored deff
as for status : remake the status UI, show the aspd stat

Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?
hmmm... dunno, never do serious 1 vs 1 till now...
but i think warlock/magician one

Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.
as for me and because of i'm still noob, :huh:
both are can do gcast....
warlock : has push skill, so it's hard to attack them,
magician : different way from warlock, they have stun, it can be prevented by remove debuff potion, but the potion cd so long, about 30 sec, and 10 sec for tears potion, but at the time CD has done, i'm also done :S

Your class:


Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

skills: PUSH SKILLS.. AND WIND FORTIFICATION ....

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

SKILLS: tell us more transformation cards to use on our job... and more debuff please... so that we can fight harder against stunner classes ...

STAT: more attack speed and Casting Speed on item set stat ...more set effects for magic type ...

Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

magician/ scout/ zerk

Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

because of their stun and debuff,, ignore deff skill also the 0 damage ... why those warlock don't have any of that skills???



thanks for having us this types of questions at least we can tell u guys what we also wants to add on our skills and stat ... God Bless ..

Adventurer

Q1) Evasion is most important, closely followed by hit chance.

Q2) Lacking ignore def skills. only 2 ignore def skills (the least ignore def skills of all dps classes) of which 1 has to meet the immobilized condition (and it does not work on certain bosses like lisk). Ignore def is the Main source of adventurer damage against highly equipped/moolah-carded players as daggers are generally not high in atk damage for a DPS nor do they have the high attack speed of dual swords.

Q3 and Q4) Almost every class can be difficult to beat: Zerks has high hit chance to counter evasion (they may miss occasionally but only needs 3-4 hits to land for a kill whereas advents needs to take a long time to reduce their hp), Mercs has evasion reducing skills and most mercs are also very evasive, Healers able to self-heal faster than the damage caused to them by advents, whose atk speed isn't fast enough to overcome the heal spams. Warlocks and mages can easily overcome advent's resistance to land hits.

Your class: Adventurer


Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.
Evasion because without it, i will die pretty fast.


Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.
Higher attack or more evasion against mage class.


Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?
zerk and mage class


Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.
zerk because of their ignore def and mage class because evasion don't work against them & sage can spam heal.

@hastin: FYI Adven can do 3 Itd(Adven's path 2 and scout's path 1) not just 2 and Adven is not the class with least itd Knight has only 1 itd skill (if i remember correctly from Glad skill path) and SW has no Itd at all. I also believe Barb and Guardian only have 2 (from zerk path).
I dont know what you are talking about but Adventure is the class which has the highest Atsp base in game. In my opinion, main source of Adventure is their debuff immo/silence not just Itd. I think Itd is important but then u need to know how to make ur own combo too. If u charge in ppl with this tactic: "ITD ITD ITD ITD" then yes all of classes will OP u even if you are donating ton of $ on ur character

Class : Priest

Q1: Mostly because of many instant heal skills so we can spam heal.

Q2: Earthen Blessing is bugged( no def buffed), Colossal something ( the skill that increases 50% size and 89 all attack at max) is useless at lv75 (too low attack buffed, I prefer Sage's one more, gives 4000 All def which is useful). Magic shield is also useless ( 6700 dmg to be endured, when they can hit for 15k-20k dmg, instantly removed).

Q3:All other class, especially stun/massive melee dmg classes or high HP classes.

Q4: It is hard to survive when facing a melee class as they they can kill us Priests in 3 hits( first stun then rush/charge for massive dmg and GG), not to mention that they ignore our def( Oh C'mon, our def is already low now you guys ignore it ?). Dmg is not high enough to kill very high HP classes. Have only 1 stun skill for 2 secs.

@vulcan
Don't mean to troll we all know adven can use scout skills but adven only 2 lgnore def skills. scout class is scout class, by switching to gun, there will be changes to eva due to the cards in them and some daggers has eva too, thus changing to gun loses these eva, juz an example. Kn and Gdn class serves as tank, 1 ignore def skill or none doesnt matter, they do not focus on the offensive.

highest atksp imo: Merc, if u do not want to see the +7% or other amount on their weapons or gears, look at their skill tree then look at adven. adven no silence skill, thats scout's skill. immobilize is also not main source of damage for adventurer in a 1v1, its useful in DM or group pk to stop a runnin player and for the team/chasers to finish him off. that is why most people hate the immobilize skill of adven. Eg; immoblizin a OP zerk would not ensure u get the upper hand. It only serves to give 2-3secs for adven to run away or for adv skill to cd off, if possible.

pls delete this post if going off topic gms. sry for adding it.

@naodarren
1st of all, I was talking about general skill that are available for Adventure to use. I didnt say anything about weapon effect, switching weapon,etc... like you said. 2nd, this is about PvP, therefore Knight/Guardian even they are serving as tanker. It does matter with to them with their ITD skill. In PvP all skill from their skill page do matter. I also wanna correct Knight can have 2 Itd 1 from Glad's path and 1 from Merc's path.

about Atsp: I mentioned ATSP "BASE".Weapon and Equipment are not included. If i remember correctly, 1 of my friend used to told me that 100agi = 1% atsp but I havent been able to tested it. Beside that even if it is not true their Atsp base still higher than almost every class in game or even highest

about skill: again in PvP, all skill matter with how u decide to use it. Immo can be good for 1vs1 chasing or escape. What happen if you opponent has more Mv(movement) then you? would that be nice to immo them and escape? What if your opponent is a Rdps? does silence their skill help you have sometime to come close for combat or stop them hitting you give you sometime to survive/pots/trans/etc?. In Pvp, it is about how well you can do combo on your opponent. Also Pvp depend on a lot of elements but the thing I think it is important is how well you play ur class.

Correct me if I am wrong ... LOL ... I dont mind learning new thing

class: Adventurer

1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.
itd+lock skills (immo+slow) for offensive, evasion (both physical and magical) for suviving.


Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.
magical evasion (or resistance) + hit chance + eva cap (evasion capability) too low.

** I would like to explain about the eva cap: it's the max % of missing u can have against all mobs and players. For example, an adventurer has 350% evasion, duel with a zerk that has 340% hit chance --> the chance for zerk to hit adv is 340 - 350 = -10%, that means zerk will totally miss (0% chance of hit). But in fact there is something called eva cap, it only allows maximum miss 65% (one of my old friend gave me this number 65%, I am not sure about that, but I think it's right, just need to test with a same lvl mob, but im kinda lazy to do it lol), so the result is even the zerk with 240% hit chance duel an adv with 350%, he still can hit the adv with 35% chance to land hits. I would say that's so unfair for us, adventurers, since we surely work on our chara super hard to get that high evasion, and ppl with hit chance less than our evasion still can hit us with the hit chance like 1/3, and every hit of zerk/merc with full itd buffs/skills can take like 15k-20k HP of us, due to the fact that we only deal them very less damage. So if that's possible, i would like to suggest increasing eva cap to 75-80%. There is very large difference bettween 3 hits take 1 (65% miss) and 4 hits take 1 (75% miss) or 5 hits take 1 (80% miss). Again this eva cap works when we face with mobs/bosses too.


Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?
merc and magic users.


Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.
first of all is merc, the biggest rival of all adventurers. Merc class is totally made to anti adv class. High hit chance + skill to reduce evasion, skill to reduce hit chane (adv class has least hit chance in all physical classes, due to skills and gears), immo skills, pretty same AS (Attack speed) but merc have more base damgage, especially when that comes with their imba invoked skill ignored 75% def (50% to invoke in 20s, and its cd only 5s). No need anything more to say that adv hardly have chance to win a merc (considered both had full gears and also mastered their own class).

** There is something bother me here. Why can merc have as same Attack speed as we have, while they have more base damage? If it's possible, I would like to suggest increase % invoke of 3 our invoked AS skills to 50%.

About magic users: our class is made to anti magic class at the beginning, but now i feel that isnt right any more.
+ healers: (esp sages) healers with right build can intantly cast any healing spell (which makes 3 instant healing skills of priest become unnecessary, too bad for them), and we dont have either stun, silence or debuff (well we have too many other things, i understand that we cant get those), so we could never finish a good healer in 1vs1. And sages have both dam absorb + shield = GG!!

+ mdps: at high lvl, adv is super lacking of resistance (unless we use a lot of all eva VI), due to the gears only give evasion (there are some gears that give resistance but it's not in any set so i pass), while magic class gears give a lot of hit chance. Nowadays its hard to not being stunned by a magician or not being pushed by a wl with that derp resistance (even we use beastial instinct; I wish we can increase that skill to 85-100% all eva)


Sry for some additional question: it's about the "protection aura" skill. It's supposed to reduce damage dealt by any two attacks to 0, but I found out thats not true in DI (decomus insane dungeon). I am talking about the priest boss. Even with protection aura on, I still lost HP when the priest uses his strongest AOE skill, and my aura instantly gone after that, when that skill only can be counted as one hit (or not?? o__o). Idk if this bug happens with sw or not, but maybe it's same too.

YEAHHHH THAT TRUEEE ^ THAT WOULD YOU ALL SHOULD REPAIR :0

@vulcan

I agree using your skills well in pvp can make a difference. That differentiates pro adventurers from the rest. Just looking at pvp rankings, the most pro adv should be hitomi, at number 29 =p. there is no adve in the top 10 or 20. Again, it may just be they aren't pro enough but i do see many other dpsers in abundance in the top 20.

let me know if sedy decides to give knight or guardian more ignore def skills. i will do a job change to them so i can tank and at same time deal ignore def damage to others ^^. i know u meant atk spd base, no need to caps it bro. even if adv has higher base atk spd then merc, will gladly sacrifice all that for merc equips that gives much more atk spd. Take away 50 base atkspd from me. add 80 atkspd to my pvp/epic weapon for each.

Please take a few moments to answer a few questions about your class in PVP.


Your class:


Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

A1. Chilled Tempest Penetration, Medusa strike. I'll explain that later on

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

A2. Most our skills relies on invoking which is Gambling in case on PvP. Unlike Zerks/Gladiators they have Destruction buff which gives them ignore Defense Buff at will, because it doesn't relies on invokes and yes we may be able to dispel it with Medusa Strike which doesn't dispel 100% of the time but sure you should know zerks/Gladi's got dispel skills too and can remove our invoked Chilled Tempest Penetration. Zerk have this skill which refreshes all their cooling down skills which means even if we remove their destruction they can still re-cast it and if they remove our CTP(Chilled Tempest Penetration) seeing as when i tried it its always 3 out of 10 chances of invoke rate so its either at 30%-40% invoke rate, when our CTP gets cancelled next time we use it we can't 100% accurately invoke it. They have stuns and Physical skill disable debuff as for us we only have Emmobilization skill which doesn't work most of the time. so if you could Raise our INVOKE RaTe because at PvP we always have this problem of invoking. Warlocks/mage got Damage Absorb skills which we doesn't have. Warlocks got this annoying Knockback skills while mages got Stuns/Slows/Emmobilize skill

so the main point is if you could raise our invoke rate that would help a lot


Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?


A.3 Zerks/Gladi/Warlock and Mage

Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

A.4 Please look at A.2 That would explain a lot

Please take a few moments to answer a few questions about your class in PVP.



They have this skill which refreshes all their cooling down skills which means even if we remove their destruction they can still re-cast

Pst, Gladiator has no cooldown reset~

Please take a few moments to answer a few questions about your class in PVP.



They have this skill which refreshes all their cooling down skills which means even if we remove their destruction they can still re-cast

Pst, Gladiator has no cooldown reset~

ew, But they still have Physical skill disable and they last long which is OP cause we cant use skills when hit by it which means we can't even invoke any skills and merc is crap without invokes, same goes for zerk while they have reset skills too

I was fighting a hard battle between logic and proper manners before posting, since I do not want to be such a critic to a thread where you have to show what you think is good and bad about your class. Respect to the poster after all.

But I am also inclined to give my two cents worth, since I do not want Sedy to just see one opinion and follow on that, rather than how other people react as well. So I shall take a time to comment on certain points in wolvstein's post about Mercs.

The thing is, from the tone of your post, it makes it sound like you want the Mercenary class to be a "god mode" over Zerks. Where as the purpose of a difference in each skill tree in any class is for balance.

Like for example, Mercs have a high attack speed and faster skill cooldowns, while Zerks hit heavier, but longer cooldown time. Another example to fit your claims would be, a Merc having a shorter Invoke cool down compared to a Zerk can refresh their skills, ONCE. Take into consideration how long this takes. By the time the zerk's cooldown of skills or refresh ends, your Invoke could have been used more than once.

You have to think of Balancing. A class should have some upper hand on another, but not total "god mode" over them. This would make the Devs job a tad bit easier, rather than deal with the lot of us just whining about what we want in a class we use.

As for skills to make your own buffs disappear, its not a clear cut target on what buffs go. Like say -- if I, (as a Warlock) uses Magic Deplete on a priest with full buffs, usually the first 3 that falls into the category of my skill would disappear. I cannot dictate, "Get rid of Nirenia Shield, Earthen and Spirit Step."

What is the Invoke's cooldown? Not too long I might say, so increasing it more would result in 100% of the time you shall have this Invoke buff? That even when Zerks (or any class for that matter) debuffs it, you would just put it back up due to the high rate?

Perhaps, there is another solution wherein Mercs do not rely on just one buff.

I was fighting a hard battle between logic and proper manners before posting, since I do not want to be such a critic to a thread where you have to show what you think is good and bad about your class. Respect to the poster after all.

But I am also inclined to give my two cents worth, since I do not want Sedy to just see one opinion and follow on that, rather than how other people react as well. So I shall take a time to comment on certain points in wolvstein's post about Mercs.

The thing is, from the tone of your post, it makes it sound like you want the Mercenary class to be a "god mode" over Zerks. Where as the purpose of a difference in each skill tree in any class is for balance.

Like for example, Mercs have a high attack speed and faster skill cooldowns, while Zerks hit heavier, but longer cooldown time. Another example to fit your claims would be, a Merc having a shorter Invoke cool down compared to a Zerk can refresh their skills, ONCE. Take into consideration how long this takes. By the time the zerk's cooldown of skills or refresh ends, your Invoke could have been used more than once.

You have to think of Balancing. A class should have some upper hand on another, but not total "god mode" over them. This would make the Devs job a tad bit easier, rather than deal with the lot of us just whining about what we want in a class we use.

As for skills to make your own buffs disappear, its not a clear cut target on what buffs go. Like say -- if I, (as a Warlock) uses Magic Deplete on a priest with full buffs, usually the first 3 that falls into the category of my skill would disappear. I cannot dictate, "Get rid of Nirenia Shield, Earthen and Spirit Step."

What is the Invoke's cooldown? Not too long I might say, so increasing it more would result in 100% of the time you shall have this Invoke buff? That even when Zerks (or any class for that matter) debuffs it, you would just put it back up due to the high rate?

Perhaps, there is another solution wherein Mercs do not rely on just one buff.

That doesn't make merc ''God Mode'' at all Cause you see i tried dueling a few zerks/Glads and when they used Physical disable skill at start i can't even use any skills and that debuff last long, if i can't use any skills of course i can't invoke at all and i can't dispel buffs, and our Medusa strike which dispels skills doesn't work 50% of the time and it only takes out 1 Buff. we don't have stun/Disabling skills which puts us at disadvantage a lot compared to their class and i didn't said to raise our invoke rate to 100% i just said to raise it even just a little cause even i know if its raised to 100% merc would be OP so i didn't asked for a 100% invoke rate. as i have dueled so many Zerks/Gladiators (Properly geared) i can't win when i can't invoke and when i can't use any skills and with its current invoke rate I lose 70% of the time

Duels Merc vs Gladi/Zerks is very fast so every seconds counts and how long does their physical disable skills last? They last until duel ends cause most duels ends in 3-8 seconds and without us merc being able to use any skills at all

1st of all at Bunny
From your post, all you care is just to OP yourself against zerk/glad. But have you ever thought about other classes? All other classes have hard time to go against merc with their OP skill invoke with 20sec last. lets make a small compare between zerk + Merc
Zerk with skill CD of all itd at least 40+sec cd, destruction buff last 15mins(removable) + reset skill so another 15sec (can be removed) and 3mins Reset CD/ 3mins Destruction CD + debuff physic with longer CD than Merc debuff CD
Merc with Anti-Stun buff for 15sec + 5sec CD of Itd invoke + immo + fast atsp +20% reflect physical atk + debuff skill of physic (and magic but we are talking about physic)

So do you need anymore compare example to see merc is an OP class?

Almost all classes having problem dealing with Merc, so rethink about it B4 you try to make Merc -> *god mode* Merc

1st of all at Bunny
From your post, all you care is just to OP yourself against zerk/glad. But have you ever thought about other classes? All other classes have hard time to go against merc with their OP skill invoke with 20sec last. lets make a small compare between zerk + Merc
Zerk with skill CD of all itd at least 40+sec cd, destruction buff last 15mins(removable) + reset skill so another 15sec (can be removed) and 3mins Reset CD/ 3mins Destruction CD + debuff physic with longer CD than Merc debuff CD
Merc with Anti-Stun buff for 15sec + 5sec CD of Itd invoke + immo + fast atsp +20% reflect physical atk + debuff skill of physic (and magic but we are talking about physic)

So do you need anymore compare example to see merc is an OP class?

Almost all classes having problem dealing with Merc, so rethink about it B4 you try to make Merc -> *god mode* Merc

I've tried dueling Kira as a WL and as Mage and he still fucked my merc up, he could slow/stun me and run around as a mage and knockback + run around as a WL and my merc is fucked so I try to avoid dueling Warlocks/mages the most to be honest because for merc they are the hardest to kill as they can gain 100% damage abs for 12 seconds and they never Missis on me or any other class

This post is intended to clarify all things about balancing classes, particularly Mercenaries against Glads and Berserkers, i've included Magicians and Warlocks also

The fact that mercenaries can actually beat zerkers/glads in a duel is already a hint that Sedy made things balance on those classes. There are things to consider about those classes. Mercenaries have his invoke skill which helps them to kill a serker/glad in a blink of an eye. (depends on how a serker/glad use tactics on duel). Mercenaries having this invoke skill in a fast cool down would actually be considered OP already. Why? you can immobilized them then run 'til their ignore def skills runs out, then do your own thing. Yes they do have a reset skill to cast that ignore def buff again, but would they be able to kill you before they reset their skills again? (less chances) why? simply because you already have your invoke on by then.

Regarding what RayDarkwolf meant about the 100% you're talking about. it's the chances of invoke that he's pointing out, not to increase the invoke to 100% if that happens then yeah (Welcome to Mercenaries Online).

" i didn't said to raise our invoke rate to 100% i just said to raise it even just a little cause even i know if its raised to 100% merc would be OP so i didn't asked for a 100% invoke rate. as i have dueled so many Zerks/Gladiators (Properly geared) i can't win when i can't invoke and when i can't use any skills and with its current invoke rate I lose 70% of the time"

This thing that you said wolvstien doesn't even make sense. Why? PVP isn't about catching skills of your opponent. That's the most ridiculous thing a player would do in a pvp thing. Why would you catch all skills and let them beat you? Let's take this in another level, since PVP involves this thing called PK. let's take it on that side. A scenario when you're in a pk map against serk. Would you let yourself be killed by catching all their skills? answer is NO. Why? Transformation cards are there to help you, pots are there to use. and mounts or should i say, the instant mount that you have can be used against them too. PVP is all about tactics. Less tactics, less chances of winning. And this statement of yours is typically asking for "a little increase in your invoke rate" would lead to making mercenaries unbeatable in 1v1. If the increase on invoke chances and invoke rates would happen. I'll start to create my own Mercenary then.


Regarding you having problems against Magicians. I can't seem to find any reason for you to have a problem against a Magician actually. Yes we have slow and we have this stuns. But what do you have? This "Warrior's will" skill that makes you immune to stuns. Yes magicians have renewed activation for us to stun you again after you use the skill but there's this ailment recovery pots that you can use against us. Making the stuns + renewed really useless. we have ice shield, yeah that catches 20k damage? and it disappears with one hit while merc's invoke is on. Again I cant seem to find any reason why would you lose against a Magician. Unless you're...(?)

I've used a warlock to so I'll speak on behalf of warlocks. Having this Absorb kill, less chances for a mercenary to hit a warlock with a high damage, but after it runs out. what do warlocks have? Knockbacks yes. but what do mercenary have? immobilize skills, and what else? OH RIGHT. That INVOKE that can be sustained until they kill the opponent. Since it has a fast cooldown spamming that invoke would be easy for mercenaries. Knockbacks for warlocks are the most useful thing that they can have against a fully geared mercenary. And you're pointing out that knockbacks and running after doing those makes it hard to kill a warlock i dont think so. WHY? You have that immobilize kill. TRY USING IT?[/size]

PS: I don't intend to be mean through this post, I just wanted you to realize that the most important thing is the balancing of all classes. Each class has their own strengths and weaknesses. How to overcome your weaknesses? Simple. Make them your strengths. XD

Class:adventurer
IDk about ya but RESISTANCE IS FREAKEN USELESS FREAkEN MAGIC HITS EVERYTIME NO MATTER WAT!!!!!!
Adventurer needs More ignore or a stun or a silence skill thats 5sec not 2 Not 3 secs.
OH....and i forgot WARLOCK NEEDS IGNORE DEF ATTACK SINCE IT has no stun or silence skills -.- warlock should have HP absorbed skill like adv or glad but make it 40% since warlock dont have much skills to replenish mage XD

"I've tried dueling Kira as a WL and as Mage and he still fucked my merc up, he could slow/stun me and run around as a mage and knockback + run around as a WL and my merc is fucked so I try to avoid dueling Warlocks/mages the most to be honest because for merc they are the hardest to kill as they can gain 100% damage abs for 12 seconds and they never Missis on me or any other class"

Well at least by pointing out what you have a problem with, it also furthers the other classes strengths. Obviously, one should not do away with a Warlock's pushes and the abs since its justifies that it makes other classes find difficulty in killing them.

This also carries as well to a Magician's stuns and slows -- as it is their own gist in their class that makes them difficult.

Thank you Jep, for clarifying my post to Wolvstein.

Btw, couldn't a Merc actually get rid of a Magician's and Warlock's shield/abs buff with a skill? Think about that as well. There is a reason why their spells have effects that make the opponent have difficulty to catch them (slow move, slow attack, push, stun, silence, etc.). That is the point.

Do you really think us magic users (with low HP and Phys Def as compared to melee classes) would prefer to tank your hits with just our shield and abs? No. We are not statues and practice dummies where you can just hit for all you care. Therefore we introduce you to distance and the purpose of being a ranged class.

Balance.

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Btw lemme just comment offhanded, that lilempirer made me laugh with their first sentence LOL. Actually I thought of having a different thing, like Magical Evasion implemented? Or is that the same as Resistance? I would have thought Resistance was to debuffs and stuff, not Magical Dmg.

Do enlighten me.

This post is intended to clarify all things about balancing classes, particularly Mercenaries against Glads and Berserkers, i've included Magicians and Warlocks also

The fact that mercenaries can actually beat zerkers/glads in a duel is already a hint that Sedy made things balance on those classes. There are things to consider about those classes. Mercenaries have his invoke skill which helps them to kill a serker/glad in a blink of an eye. (depends on how a serker/glad use tactics on duel). Mercenaries having this invoke skill in a fast cool down would actually be considered OP already. Why? you can immobilized them then run 'til their ignore def skills runs out, then do your own thing. Yes they do have a reset skill to cast that ignore def buff again, but would they be able to kill you before they reset their skills again? (less chances) why? simply because you already have your invoke on by then.

Regarding what RayDarkwolf meant about the 100% you're talking about. it's the chances of invoke that he's pointing out, not to increase the invoke to 100% if that happens then yeah (Welcome to Mercenaries Online).

" i didn't said to raise our invoke rate to 100% i just said to raise it even just a little cause even i know if its raised to 100% merc would be OP so i didn't asked for a 100% invoke rate. as i have dueled so many Zerks/Gladiators (Properly geared) i can't win when i can't invoke and when i can't use any skills and with its current invoke rate I lose 70% of the time"

This thing that you said wolvstien doesn't even make sense. Why? PVP isn't about catching skills of your opponent. That's the most ridiculous thing a player would do in a pvp thing. Why would you catch all skills and let them beat you? Let's take this in another level, since PVP involves this thing called PK. let's take it on that side. A scenario when you're in a pk map against serk. Would you let yourself be killed by catching all their skills? answer is NO. Why? Transformation cards are there to help you, pots are there to use. and mounts or should i say, the instant mount that you have can be used against them too. PVP is all about tactics. Less tactics, less chances of winning. And this statement of yours is typically asking for "a little increase in your invoke rate" would lead to making mercenaries unbeatable in 1v1. If the increase on invoke chances and invoke rates would happen. I'll start to create my own Mercenary then.


Regarding you having problems against Magicians. I can't seem to find any reason for you to have a problem against a Magician actually. Yes we have slow and we have this stuns. But what do you have? This "Warrior's will" skill that makes you immune to stuns. Yes magicians have renewed activation for us to stun you again after you use the skill but there's this ailment recovery pots that you can use against us. Making the stuns + renewed really useless. we have ice shield, yeah that catches 20k damage? and it disappears with one hit while merc's invoke is on. Again I cant seem to find any reason why would you lose against a Magician. Unless you're...(?)

I've used a warlock to so I'll speak on behalf of warlocks. Having this Absorb kill, less chances for a mercenary to hit a warlock with a high damage, but after it runs out. what do warlocks have? Knockbacks yes. but what do mercenary have? immobilize skills, and what else? OH RIGHT. That INVOKE that can be sustained until they kill the opponent. Since it has a fast cooldown spamming that invoke would be easy for mercenaries. Knockbacks for warlocks are the most useful thing that they can have against a fully geared mercenary. And you're pointing out that knockbacks and running after doing those makes it hard to kill a warlock i dont think so. WHY? You have that immobilize kill. TRY USING IT?[/size]

PS: I don't intend to be mean through this post, I just wanted you to realize that the most important thing is the balancing of all classes. Each class has their own strengths and weaknesses. How to overcome your weaknesses? Simple. Make them your strengths. XD

its ok Jep I'm not offended by your comments i just want to hear other peoples opinions against merc too, but really as i have played merc for a while i find it hardest to duel mage/locks maybe because i lack experience against them or something, yes we do have emmobilize skills which Mostly missis on people with high resistance and it doesn't work most of the time and can be removed by Ailment. and against zerks at the start of duels they can disable us on using skills sure we can remove them by ailment and as we do it they can reset skill at the same time and do it again, then spam Def ignore skills on us while we can't do anything. thats how simple defeating a merc is. as For locks and mages you should ask Kira how he fucked me merc up cause seriously i died without getting his hp down to 90% i lack experience in PvP/Duels with those classes


PvP: Zerks are freaking scary in PvP as we can use pots etc...trans and stuff so can they


No offense I'm just pointing out what i think mercenaries lacks and wants to hear other peoples opinions about it

"I've tried dueling Kira as a WL and as Mage and he still fucked my merc up, he could slow/stun me and run around as a mage and knockback + run around as a WL and my merc is fucked so I try to avoid dueling Warlocks/mages the most to be honest because for merc they are the hardest to kill as they can gain 100% damage abs for 12 seconds and they never Missis on me or any other class"

Well at least by pointing out what you have a problem with, it also furthers the other classes strengths. Obviously, one should not do away with a Warlock's pushes and the abs since its justifies that it makes other classes find difficulty in killing them.

This also carries as well to a Magician's stuns and slows -- as it is their own gist in their class that makes them difficult.

Thank you Jep, for clarifying my post to Wolvstein.

Btw, couldn't a Merc actually get rid of a Magician's and Warlock's shield/abs buff with a skill? Think about that as well. There is a reason why their spells have effects that make the opponent have difficulty to catch them (slow move, slow attack, push, stun, silence, etc.). That is the point.

Do you really think us magic users (with low HP and Phys Def as compared to melee classes) would prefer to tank your hits with just our shield and abs? No. We are not statues and practice dummies where you can just hit for all you care. Therefore we introduce you to distance and the purpose of being a ranged class.

Balance.

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Btw lemme just comment offhanded, that lilempirer made me laugh with their first sentence LOL. Actually I thought of having a different thing, like Magical Evasion implemented? Or is that the same as Resistance? I would have thought Resistance was to debuffs and stuff, not Magical Dmg.

Do enlighten me.

I think resistance works to Less receive crit damages and to make debuffs Miss? :O I'm not sure about that part so please do tell me too

And for advent they need more hit rate Lmao, having high eva gets screwed up with the eva cap(is what they say) but they can hardly hit players at all and they have so less def ignore skills

Class: Gladiator

Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

A1: Attack speed, damage absorb and ignoring defend


Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill

A2: i think i have to invoke more attack speed and more ignoring defense

Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

A3: As a gladiator maybe in a state full armor and buff and so the foe......i find the difficult when i versus warlock or magician....

Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

A4: as for me for the noob one XD A push, Stun and g cast makes hard to touch them XD

thank you

Eh, there are 2 different resistance stats in the Character UI. First resistance stat is what wolf and bunny said, for less chance to receive critical hits and debuff skils (actually this stat has 2 parts, resistance for physical skill and magical resistance for magic). The second resistance is magical evasion, works as same as evasion stat (or physical evasion). I believe 2nd resistance is what lilempirer tried to say.

p/s: btw i just fixed the example about the eva cap in my previous post. That was a wrong calculation lol, now i made it right.

@bunny
So now your problem is having lack exp against other classes? Remember when u dueled Kira he was in full Abs cards build + he has been playing for so long to know how to stop a new comer just like you to kill him at that time. Now thing are different, no more abs cards which mean you deal more dmg on any other classes.
Just a bit infor from Ray's post. We RDPS aint dummy practice to stand in 1 spot and stare at you attack us. That is the point of WL have pushback and Mage have stun and immo. Also It is not like you have no range attack to immo us when we push you away and make you feel like: OMG they are too far away I cant attack". Dont forget your range attack skill. We Magic classes need to find a way to survive too because we do not have invoke ITD just like you and do not also have 80~100k HP to tank 15k~20k dmg per hit with super high Atsp.
Immo effect works with some certain % success because other classes need a chance to survive too. Repeat again, Merc with their Invoke skill/ Anti Stun/ Range Immo/Reflect Physic dmg with your current % success make their class so OP against any other classes including Zerk/Glad/Warlock/Mage you think you are having problem with. Again you do not have to Tank all dmg Zerk gonna itd on you. Run then come back when they out of destruction. No one force you to stand their and challenge their Itd and then now saying it is OP.

Lets not make Merc -> "God mode" Merc with super high success chance to Itd/Immo. Try to enjoy it while you play. Your Invoke Itd do 100% itd not just 75% like it said (bug like destruction of Zerk/Glad). I tested it. So dont complain about it anymore. Instead learn some new thing to deal with other classes. I dont think you do have problem with any other classes as u are in game now in a 1:1 duel =/. Just saying

@bunny
So now your problem is having lack exp against other classes? Remember when u dueled Kira he was in full Abs cards build + he has been playing for so long to know how to stop a new comer just like you to kill him at that time. Now thing are different, no more abs cards which mean you deal more dmg on any other classes.
Just a bit infor from Ray's post. We RDPS aint dummy practice to stand in 1 spot and stare at you attack us. That is the point of WL have pushback and Mage have stun and immo. Also It is not like you have no range attack to immo us when we push you away and make you feel like: OMG they are too far away I cant attack". Dont forget your range attack skill. We Magic classes need to find a way to survive too because we do not have invoke ITD just like you and do not also have 80~100k HP to tank 15k~20k dmg per hit with super high Atsp.
Immo effect works with some certain % success because other classes need a chance to survive too. Repeat again, Merc with their Invoke skill/ Anti Stun/ Range Immo/Reflect Physic dmg with your current % success make their class so OP against any other classes including Zerk/Glad/Warlock/Mage you think you are having problem with. Again you do not have to Tank all dmg Zerk gonna itd on you. Run then come back when they out of destruction. No one force you to stand their and challenge their Itd and then now saying it is OP.

Lets not make Merc -> "God mode" Merc with super high success chance to Itd/Immo. Try to enjoy it while you play. Your Invoke Itd do 100% itd not just 75% like it said (bug like destruction of Zerk/Glad). I tested it. So dont complain about it anymore. Instead learn some new thing to deal with other classes. I dont think you do have problem with any other classes as u are in game now in a 1:1 duel =/. Just saying

Oh we dueled after all the brilliant cards was turned into All stat +18 and when i was dueling his lock it was before he got his abs cards

and for the bug ITD its only gladi/Zerk that got bugged how come with my 22k-22k Attakk i only hit 17-19k on well geared people while zerks easily hits them with 20K+? and they have lower attack base than me merc is still at 75%, Just saying

@bunny
you only hit 17~19k Because Base dmg of 2h sword is much higher than Base dmg of Dual =.='. I dont wanna to be mean but do I have to tell you everything about your class? Try to figure it out already. You have been here since last year Sept not this year Feb like me for crying out loud. If people Push you Range immo and charge them. If zerk Itd you turn on your 20% physical reflect and Itd them back if your invoke is on, or run away and wait until their buff gone and kill them. Use potions, trans, etc... It is there to be used =.=' not be there to be DECORATION. Please do not try to make your class better by eradicating other classes's advance. There are ton of way to avoid/anti/counter it. Every class has their own pro and con. Learn it and use it against them.

@bunny
you only hit 17~19k Because Base dmg of 2h sword is much higher than Base dmg of Dual =.='. I dont wanna to be mean but do I have to tell you everything about your class? Try to figure it out already. You have been here since last year Sept not this year Feb like me for crying out loud. If people Push you Range immo and charge them. If zerk Itd you turn on your 20% physical reflect and Itd them back if your invoke is on, or run away and wait until their buff gone and kill them. Use potions, trans, etc... It is there to be used =.=' not be there to be DECORATION. Please do not try to make your class better by eradicating other classes's advance. There are ton of way to avoid/anti/counter it. Every class has their own pro and con. Learn it and use it against them.

Yes dual sword users got lower Attack base stats which is why if theres a two hand user with my items (zerk/Gladi) they would have more than 22k-22k base attack but a zerk/Gladi with 22k-22k attack stats will still hit players past 20k very easily cause i have a two hand sword berserked assault skill and when i use it i easily go pass 20k damage, just saying Mercenaries ITD isn't bugged to 100% its still at 75% and i know how to combo my buffs/debuffs no need to tell me on those they aren't for DECORATIONS *Nods*

Your class: Gladiator


Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

Destruction. (15 seconds defense ignore on attacks) / Supposed to be Vigorous Absorbtion.


Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

Here's the thing. Gladiators have hp absorbtion skill, but the way defense in this server is, it is completely useless when Destruction buff is on cooldown. (which is 1 minute, and absorption is 3 minutes, yes 3 MINUTES). I have 18-19k attack normally, and still I hit decent people 2-3k without defense ignore (which is normal here), but it also makes the HP-Absorbtion useless. Which was, by the way, the most useful skill in retail for us.

I think Gladiators should either get a cooldown reset, like berserker, or more hp absorption on the skill, or for it to have a longer runtime or shorter cooldown. In my opinion the cooldown reset would be just a copy of a zerk, so I'd lean more to buffing up hp absorption, which makes the Gladiator unique anyways. Or used to anyways. It is completely useless in pk maps/dm/fm where you have to kite alot, and your destruction runs out fast.

I do not want Gladiator to be a Zerk copy, that is why Im leaning towards more absorption, instead of the dmg or cooldown reset. I want it to be a unique class, but the way it stands right now, its just a zerk with less damage and no cooldown reset.


Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

Zerk and Merc.


Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

Zerk because it is basicly the same as gladiator now, but with more damage and more def ignoring skills because of the cooldown reset. Mercenary because they can dispel our destruction, which after we cannot do anything, since we do not have a cooldown reset.

Thank you~

I fail to see the logic, Wolfstein. Apologies

With your dual swords, you acknowledge that your attack is lower compared to the 2 hander class. Okay.
You also acknowledge that with a 2 handed sword equipped, your attack matches up to a Zerk and a Glad. Okay.
And this is saying that merc's ITD is not bugged and its 75%? I see a lot of problems with that observation. Anyone else? Lol

First of all, the base attack of dual swords (i.e: Lvl 65 Epic has 1070 -1160) is definitely lower than a 2 handed sword (i.e: Lvl 65 Epic has 1182 - 1280) . Obviously your attack is less when you use it, this is what I mentioned earlier. Dual wielders are designed for DMG over Time, as compared to 2 Handers who are Damage per Hit (or how ever you call it). If you need clarification, why not test how much damage a zerk does in a 10, 20, 30 second time frame, compared to a merc.

More often than not, a merc will win in terms of damage count total.

I fail to see the logic, Wolfstein. Apologies

With your dual swords, you acknowledge that your attack is lower compared to the 2 hander class. Okay.
You also acknowledge that with a 2 handed sword equipped, your attack matches up to a Zerk and a Glad. Okay.
And this is saying that merc's ITD is not bugged and its 75%? I see a lot of problems with that observation. Anyone else? Lol

First of all, the base attack of dual swords (i.e: Lvl 65 Epic has 1070 -1160) is definitely lower than a 2 handed sword (i.e: Lvl 65 Epic has 1182 - 1280) . Obviously your attack is less when you use it, this is what I mentioned earlier. Dual wielders are designed for DMG over Time, as compared to 2 Handers who are Damage per Hit (or how ever you call it). If you need clarification, why not test how much damage a zerk does in a 10, 20, 30 second time frame, compared to a merc.

More often than not, a merc will win in terms of damage count total.

When comparing damages in 10. 20. 30 seconds Zerk hits more than merc as they hit higher and 1 Destruction buff last for 15 seconds and they can recast it after they reset skills. but anything after 30 secs merc hits more of course but only if CTP invokes. and Merc is a DPS type Character not Mainly PvP Made, and if you think my observation about its ITD % is a problem you can make your own merc and make an observation yourself by testing out zerk/merc damage with the same base attack on them as zerk got higher base attack they'll have to lower their stats to have the same amount as the merc and they can test each others damage

Your class: Gladiator


Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

Destruction. (15 seconds defense ignore on attacks) / Supposed to be Vigorous Absorbtion.


Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

Here's the thing. Gladiators have hp absorbtion skill, but the way defense in this server is, it is completely useless when Destruction buff is on cooldown. (which is 1 minute, and absorption is 3 minutes, yes 3 MINUTES). I have 18-19k attack normally, and still I hit decent people 2-3k without defense ignore (which is normal here), but it also makes the HP-Absorbtion useless. Which was, by the way, the most useful skill in retail for us.

I think Gladiators should either get a cooldown reset, like berserker, or more hp absorption on the skill, or for it to have a longer runtime or shorter cooldown. In my opinion the cooldown reset would be just a copy of a zerk, so I'd lean more to buffing up hp absorption, which makes the Gladiator unique anyways. Or used to anyways. It is completely useless in pk maps/dm/fm where you have to kite alot, and your destruction runs out fast.

I do not want Gladiator to be a Zerk copy, that is why Im leaning towards more absorption, instead of the dmg or cooldown reset. I want it to be a unique class, but the way it stands right now, its just a zerk with less damage and no cooldown reset.


Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

Zerk and Merc.


Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

Zerk because it is basicly the same as gladiator now, but with more damage and more def ignoring skills because of the cooldown reset. Mercenary because they can dispel our destruction, which after we cannot do anything, since we do not have a cooldown reset.

Thank you~

Pst Zerks got Dispel too >

My Class: Priest

-Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

The most important thing to a priest is the ability to have the highest heals in game.

-Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

Well I will say for one that sage have a huge advantage over priests. Sages have circles, and the absorption buff. They don't heal as high as priests, but they do last a lot longer when using circles/abs buff. The only thing that I can say is good about being a priest is nice heals. We can pretty much get 3-5 shotted by zerks. Once I see a winged zerk in Dm/Fm I know I don't have a chance unless I run, and that's no fun >.< Priests only have 1 stun, which lasts for 2 seconds only. A 2 second stun... we might as well not even have a stun. I think maybe more stuns would be nice. Even our Shield buff that we have that lasts 1 minute, it can be taken down within one second, I don't even use it anymore because it doesn't help me.

-Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

Any damage dealer except for Mage/Warlock. We can survive against Warlock and Magician because our magic def is high, but with melee class we cannot survive.

-Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

They use stun, ignore def, and then make us kiss the floor.

@Bunny and other Merc player
This is my final post regard Merc's problem. I will give you fully reason why you are having problem with Zerk/Glad and what is the reason make I think that Merc (a very Unique class) out of any class DO NOT NEED any improvement.

This is reason why Merc is a Unique class.
1st of all is Stat:
- High Atsp, we all know they are having top Atsp and there are nothing much to talk about it
- High HP. In my opinion, Tanker (Knight/Guard) are top with their HP then Zerk, Glad, Merc right after them. and then Magic class + Rogue/Ranger at the bottom of the game (Hp count).
2nd is the skill (this is very unique build up to anti all other classes)
- The most unique skill I think Merc has is Idt Invoke Chilled Tempest Penetration, in count on 1min dealing dmg. there are at max 12 time chance for any merc to invoke this skill and of course go into Killing machine mode (lol I just wanted to used that word).
- If your Itd doesnt invoke, please do not panic (joking), you have 2 Itd skills too. 1st is Berserked Assault with 75% itd + 21sec CD (sound nice right?) + Annihilate 2, another 75% Itd (well with -Eva condition but it is not that bad). Please do use it.
- If you couldnt invoke Itd, and used up all of your Itd skill, pls dont panic as well. Final Promise is there to save the day. 20% Physical reflect will make its entrance and scare ppl whoever trying to Itd you off ( or at least they will taken dmg too, better than taking dmg only right?)
- Medusa Strike, this will answer 1 of your problem bunny. Debuff skill is random, you cant not choose which one to debuff 1st. That is why "DO NOT EXPECT TO 100% REMOVE DESTRUCTION" because Zerk/Glad doesnt just have destruction buff up on the line to be debuff-ed. Also there are chances you will miss debuff too. I know that because my Warlock miss on debuffing ppl when I use Magic Depletion too. I am sure Zerk/Glad do have their own problem on debuff others' buff as well.
- Devided slash 2 + Subdue 2. 34.5% - eva and 33% - hit chance. Totally good against Eva player (Rogue/Ranger or Merc/zerk/glad Eva build). 33%- hit chance? Its "godly" (well not that godly) but good against others with high hit chance against you who is a Merc doing Eva build.
- Warrior's will: (my fav skill of Merc and the most annoying one as well): 15sec Anti all stun - CD 1mins and immu all stun under 10 efficiency (pretty much all stun since I havent seen anyone with 11 yet)
-Warrior's Strife: 30sec Anti immo + slow - CD 3mins and immu all under 10 efficentcy
-Combine Warrior's will and strife -> Who can stop you from riding you mount and be on your way? (well except Dc ahaha it stops everyone)
-Chilled Slash: 10% invoke Abs Dmg. Well there are chances too but aint that sweet to suddenly 20k down to 18k?
-Tempest silence: Immo ur prey from far away with a range attack. This is 1 of the point i need to speak up. Immo doesnt work all the time because that is how it should be working. You cannot expect all range hit will immo your opponent because the missing chance is there to make sure your opponent have a chance to make their escape or be able to chase you. It is just logic in my opinion, like in real hunting, you cant trap your prey all the time just because u set up a trap right? :P

I personally think Merc is a very Unique class, they have enough tools to go against any other classes. From Abs dmg to Itd to -eva/hit chance,anti all chasing skill (stun/immo/slow), and of course we cannot miss the debuff physic/magic buff. What else can you ask for for an amazing class like this? perhaps It is chances to practice dueling with other classes and find out about how do you face others with your own proudly combos you trust and win them with all you have?

P/S: this is the end of my arguing about Merc. What ever behind this you can make a post and I will join there to talk more about it if you think Merc still have problem.
- Also Pls do not take this post as a flaming action or Offense. I am not here to do those.

Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

i would say 2 things about the stats Attack Speed ~ Physical Critical
Invoked Skill

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

physical/magic Defense me as Evasion-Resistance Type of Mercenary and having VI cards to all my items im still seeking for more Defense.



Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

Serker and Magician


Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat

Serker - Destruction/Silence/Stuns those 3 things are Being OP cuz of there "Preparation skill" in my opinion cuz after they do those 3 things i mostly used all my counter defense skills and things but because of the preparation skill that serkers have, they can repeat the attacks while my counter defense is in CD thats why they're difficult to beat and all i can do was run from them most of the time.

Magician - Stun/Slow/De-Buff "first was the stun as a meelee type its hard to get closer when we get stun continuously cuz magician has Glitch Cast which make there skills cast much faster than regular casting and much faster cool down aswell. "2nd and 3rd was the slow and de-buff me as a meelee im getting hard to counter attack this type of attacks not cuz im slow or watever it makes me hard to counter those kind of attack bcuz of there fast Cool down and it came from Range Type and they also have a "Renewed Activation Skill" which give them renewed all there skills.

Your class: Hunter


Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class?
-attack , they have so much agility but that doesn't make decent attack


Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking?
-ignoring def is too low , but almost all classes have ignoring defense.


Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?
-it doesn't depends on the class it REALLY depends on how are you equipped , good or not.
-But if i have to chose one , zerks are hard to beat.


Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.
-again -it doesn't depends on the class it REALLY depends on how are you equipped , good or not.

PST : knights are lower of defense , it supposed to be the best defense class on the game*

Hello, since I did one time with the template I'll write this just for the information. You guys just made Gladiator to not be able to kill anyone decent in pvp. Destruction is like our only damaging skill except for Berserked Assault and Charge. Decent enough pvpers use Physical Injection in pvp which makes you invincible for physical attacks for 8 seconds, yes? Destruction is what, 10 seconds. And it has a 1 minute cooldown. And how long cooldown does inject have? 24 seconds, right. So are you saying Im supposed to kill him in 2 seconds, or hit him 2 times and then run for a minute, come back with skill available from cooldown and hit him again for 2 seconds, since inject has twice as low cooldown as my defense ignoring skill.

Please, dont let it stay like this. I asked for a buff for gladiators, not a nerf . We were underhanded against Zerks and Mercs as it was.. Thank you.

EDIT: Adding that the Size "bonus" just makes it even more easy for people to time their 8 second injects in battlefield. I could understand this on a zerk because they can refresh their cooldowns, but come on, on a gladiator?

No post for Berserker? Seriously? lol.

And poor Barbarian and Knight has no representation as well. But I guess not many people play them, like the mighty BERSERKER that has no representation as well. :P

BUMP

this post is important

No post for Berserker? Seriously? lol.

And poor Barbarian and Knight has no representation as well. But I guess not many people play them, like the mighty BERSERKER that has no representation as well. :P

I don't know about Barbarians and Knights, but I'm pretty sure no one's representing zerks cause they don't want their little overpowered hybrids to be touched.



ON Topic:

Please take a few moments to answer a few questions about your class in PVP.

My Class: Magician

Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

Our debuffs and our range. I see mages as a ranged, magic damaging, crowd controlling class.

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

Damage. My class is not capable of inflicting decent damage in PVP to anyone who has above 30k magic defense. Noscrubs Iris allows access to shit loads of magic defense as well as attack speed and movement speed stuff making our stuns and slows useless in certain situations.

Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

Pot spammers, healers and anyone with 100% ignore defense.

Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

Cause they spam pots, we cannot out-damage heals and we usually get 4-hit to death by anyone with 100% ignore defense skills. Unless they are noob.

Class :Shadow Walker

Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

Evasion and resistence

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

defense ignore skills yeah we have have some nice debuffs and mekes SW very good in pve but in pvp is another thing is hard for a shadow walker to even survive in pvp

Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

zerks and hmm everyone else XD mages just push us away and they hit us or alot zerks just ignore our poor defense and they have even more eva than a SW so we cant eve get close to them and if we do they just two hits kill us

Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

most of the classes have def ignore skills and we don't as I said before we have debufs but they are just not enough and our dmg is very low a priest can over heal the dmg easily and we cant dmg a plate user they have alot more defense and defense ignore skills which (again) we dont have.

SW are supposed to have more evasion than most of the classes so boosting their eva and maybe adding some def ignore skill would be pretty nice I love shadow walker class but it just cant play pvp if we shadow walker can't have a high def then maybe we should have better evasion I suggested in another post to have class exclusive accs so we can get more evasion so we can have a chance in pvp.

Your class: Sage

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Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

Pretty much everything, but at the same time nothing. Our skills aren't that useful if we end up solo (as a support sage), given that my damage even at a high level is about on par with my low-level warlock, and as a support class our defense severely lacks.

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Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

Defense. Others could say it's our heals, however sages get 9 different heals, most of which are AoE or affect the whole party, and only a couple have really long cool-downs (I can't say for priests, as I don't have one, yet). However, in order to make our heals decent, given how high the hp can go on some classes, we have to sacrifice our defense (particularly physical defense) to boost our wisdom and heal amount.

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Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

Pretty much everyone. Argue that I should build for combat all you want, I chose sage to be a support character (believe it or not, I've actually had people tell me in-game that I should built like a warlock, despite the fact that I am clearly a sage).

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Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

Warlocks, magicians, and all sword-using classes can take me down in one hit, even with a max level Forceful Rescue (for the defense boost), Sanctioned Grace (absorb), and Celestial Shield (nullification of a small damage amount) on me (if I even get a chance to put them up, usually I can't even get one of the two instants, let alone all three).

I've even had other sages mow me down in only 2 or 3 hits, with the same as above. Haven't had the privilege of facing a gun-user or priest yet, so I can't make any comments about them.

As said above, for me to be able to play my class how it's meant to be played, as a support character, I have to basically sacrifice all combat capability. While PvP is generally meant to be teamwork, sadly very few non-maxed characters participate outside of the PvP maps (which I will not touch, for the very reasons I've mentioned above)...which, unfortunately, leads to extremely unbalanced matches of multiple power-house characters capable of hitting 15-20k+ per strike against a single support character.

I have no problem with my class on normal maps, because I AM capable of playing it how it's meant to be played. But to do so, I have no PvP capability.

Your class: Sage

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Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

Pretty much everything, but at the same time nothing. Our skills aren't that useful if we end up solo (as a support sage), given that my damage even at a high level is about on par with my low-level warlock, and as a support class our defense severely lacks.

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Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

Defense. Others could say it's our heals, however sages get 9 different heals, most of which are AoE or affect the whole party, and only a couple have really long cool-downs (I can't say for priests, as I don't have one, yet). However, in order to make our heals decent, given how high the hp can go on some classes, we have to sacrifice our defense (particularly physical defense) to boost our wisdom and heal amount.

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Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

Pretty much everyone. Argue that I should build for combat all you want, I chose sage to be a support character (believe it or not, I've actually had people tell me in-game that I should built like a warlock, despite the fact that I am clearly a sage).

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Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

Warlocks, magicians, and all sword-using classes can take me down in one hit, even with a max level Forceful Rescue (for the defense boost), Sanctioned Grace (absorb), and Celestial Shield (nullification of a small damage amount) on me (if I even get a chance to put them up, usually I can't even get one of the two instants, let alone all three).

I've even had other sages mow me down in only 2 or 3 hits, with the same as above. Haven't had the privilege of facing a gun-user or priest yet, so I can't make any comments about them.

As said above, for me to be able to play my class how it's meant to be played, as a support character, I have to basically sacrifice all combat capability. While PvP is generally meant to be teamwork, sadly very few non-maxed characters participate outside of the PvP maps (which I will not touch, for the very reasons I've mentioned above)...which, unfortunately, leads to extremely unbalanced matches of multiple power-house characters capable of hitting 15-20k+ per strike against a single support character.

I have no problem with my class on normal maps, because I AM capable of playing it how it's meant to be played. But to do so, I have no PvP capability.

For starters, this topic is meant for PVP purposes. There are three main factors in PVP, namely ITD, Absorbtion and pot/heal. Defense as you mentioned, practically plays very little roles when it comes to pvp, one of the reason you do not see often shield classes involved in wars. This is the immediate result of ITD where 100% of the defense gets ignored, and only absorption can reduce the damage taken. For the reason above, other factors became undermined. PVP as most people are aware of in Noscrubs, is where you need ITD to kill, absorption to take hits, and HP pots and heals to survive, and I believe there is no further need to mention things of less significance such as defense in this section dedicated to PVP.
Moreover, I'd like to know what variants of Sage you have been playing since the last time I have checked, Sage only has 7 types of healing skills:
Forceful Rescue
Soothing Tide
Life Wave
Healing Wave
Cure
Delayed Heal
Celestial Sphere of Life (who even uses this)
Curative Wind is not a legitimate heal since it is HoT, if you think otherwise.
To the extent of my knowledge, these are the only healing skills available to Sage, and I would love to see the additional non-existing 2 skills you have mentioned.

On a side note, it has also been mentioned that sage has to sacrifice all their combat capability in order to perform its role as a healer effectively, and how sage can only be compared to low-end magic dpsers at best. First of all, I'd like to question your intention in pointing this out. Are you suggesting that sage should be both capable in healing, as well as damage dealer, comparable to that of other dps classes? Of course, you cannot expect to be omnipotent, and it is only natural that healer remains a healer, having little part to play in dealing damage but instead, an essential support both in pve, and pvp

Yes, I'm aware that this is PvP. I looked through some of the posts, and the few I saw regarding sages brought up how they're "not killable" because of their damage absorbs; I was simply pointing out that generally we don't have those up all the time, and when we do is it going to be on us or someone who's actually going into direct combat?

As far as healing skills, I was including ALL of them, because all of them (save one) are actually useful depending on the situation. I don't know what Sage you've been playing if you've only seen seven (and I actually miscounted last night, there's ten; I got on as I was typing this just to check), but here's the full list:
1- Cure
2- Delayed Cure
3- Forceful Rescue
4- Lifewave (AoE one-time)
5- Curative Wind (HoT)
6- Soothing Tide (HoT)
7- Celestial Sphere of Life (and yes, I use this...hell, I spam it when I'm alone, I see it as a rather useful skill)
8- Healing Wave (AoE one-time)
9- Devine Sanctuary (AoE HoT)
10- Pillar of Life (AoE HoT with attack buff...this is the one I don't know how useful it is...gives a really nice attack bonus as well as a small heal every second instead of every three, but the cool down time makes it not seem worth it)

Believe it or not, HoTs are still heals. I get some decent heal amounts each time they go off, and they've kept both me and the people I've partied with alive a lot longer than they would have without it. I've had Curative Tide and Devine Sanctuary out-heal a group of monsters in the area I'm stuck leveling in, so while you might think HoT are useless, I think they're beyond useful (and in my option, a healer who doesn't get both AoE heals and HoT heals isn't playing their class right...you can't toss single-target heals with a cool down up on everyone constantly, and both AoE and HoT help to counter that by allowing party members to receive heals when you're on cool down (yes, those few seconds of cool down can mean the difference between life and death when you've got a lot of enemies on you, especially when the skill also has a cast time (though small))).

It's called knowing your class and being prepared for every situation. One person has a massive mob on them, but no one else is even remotely at risk? Single-target heals. Multiple people have mobs on them, or someone else is at risk of getting one on them? HoT first, then single-target those who need it. Don't have a way to heal multiple people at once as they're taking damage? Oops, half the party just wiped. It depends on the situation.

In fact, every time I've managed to get into PvP with a group, I always make sure to keep one or both of my party HoT's (5 and 6 above) up, and it helps mitigate the damage the enemy gives while I'm trying to toss out my Delayed Cure and Cure on everyone. They do help, quite a bit.

And no, I'm not wanting to be omnipotent, but it doesn't seem as if you're understanding. In order for sages to become decent healers (as it seems the general consensus is that sages have much lower heals than a priest, I can't judge because I don't have one and have only encountered a single priest) they have to get gear and cards that are for Wisdom and healing increases. Sadly, this causes our defense to suffer. A lot. My sage is level 67, and only has about 7k physical defense, because I have to give her more Wisdom and healing+ in order to keep up with the damage other characters can dish out.

The damage dealing bit was when I decided to try out someone's advice about playing my character as if I was a warlock. Of course, I don't have magic dps gear, but when your high-level magic character can only pump out as much damage when playing as a dps as your low-level character who's not even half your level and without even half the stats the gear give...

But then again, I chose sage to be a healer. A SUPPORT character. But because I'm not maxed, I have to go it alone (I've only managed to get one party that was for questing, from a max level doing gear quests and they accidentally killed mobs I already attacked). Because of that, I see things from both the PvP and PvE end.

Not really an essential when no one seems to want us around. And I don't blame them. A mob or enemy player gets on us, and we're generally down before anyone else can even turn around. We have no defense (and while my magic defense is really high because of my wisdom, I still get 2-hit (3-hit max, depending on the character) by other magic classes at the same level), we have no survivability if our heals aren't needed.

We're like a "one-trick pony." If we can't heal, we can't do anything. I can barely take care of myself in the area I'm stuck leveling, because of the fact that my attacks are essentially the equivalent of hitting someone with a giant feather, while the enemy's attacks are like getting smacked with a solid metal chair. And because I'm not maxed, I can't exactly get a party to assist me, because everyone's either doing dungeons, on PvP maps, or just plain sitting around Terminus taunting each other in mega.

Magicians? Capable of damage, and support if they have the skills and are needed (yes, I've seen it happen). Warlocks? Same thing. Sages? Good luck if you try.

I'm not saying sages should be omnipotent. This thread is, as you said, for PvP. I didn't see anything that said "oh, and support classes aren't allowed to post at all." Support classes have just as much say as everyone else. It's sad that support classes pretty much have no support when it comes to them and PvP, even from other support classes. As you even said yourself on the first page (which, given your attitude in that last post that support classes have no reason to be posting, makes me wonder...):

Going full wisdom means you are like paper to zerks/mercs/itd whores, so basically if you're not careful (or suck) you will get dropped like a fly. And even going full wisdom, you still only heal as much as a priest on PVP set. Before priests come qqing at me, take into consideration that Sanction Grace can be removed and most of the time, we sages, don't even use it on ourselves, but to keep our party member alive because our heal is so low.
More AOE heals would compensate for our lack of heal and our crappy circle that is only good for if everyone is standing in one place having a staring contest.

Back to the combat capability. Let me bring in something that happened yesterday. I went into battlefields, expecting to have a little group (even just one other person) with me, as I always had every other time. The random grouping decided to toss magician and the fighter class with two swords (so sue me, I don't remember the class name) against a sage. The general idea I'm seeing from some other people's posts is that a healer should be more than capable of surviving that. But even a sage dedicated in healing can't even survive a single attack. When it comes to PvP, and you're alone against several others, the focus on healing pretty much goes out the window, because you're not going to survive if you're essentially wet paper (and yes, this has probably been overused here, but it fits the situation pretty well).

No, I don't WANT sages to be omnipotent. But the fact that even with a group I'm out if even one person hits me once is extremely discouraging. I actually had fun the other day in battlefields, when I was in the groups, and I usually hate PvP. In those groups, though, in order to keep the enemy from being able to target me, I was basically doing "hit-and-run" with my heals; even if my team would stay still for 2 seconds, I didn't have the time to cast anything other than a couple instants, of which Curative Wind was always the first one to go up.

Skills that ignore 100% defense? Extremely overpowered. I've seen other MMOs go to hell when less was introduced and the players caught wind of it. Sure, on retail, you might not have come face-to-face with those classes, but every time I did battlefields on retail it was a FULL raid group on both sides, even in the first level section. Not the 1-3 vs 1-3 that I've seen here for below max.

In case you missed it, I'll say it again. I don't WANT sages to be omnipotent. This thread is for us to give sedy our an

ok Rzx so lemme get this clear. You are only level 67? yet you are talking like you know all about Sage In PvP? Have you actually understand anything that CPU (1 of the top sage of the server) was talking about?
Level 67 sage and level 75 sage has a HUGE GAB between them. At level 67 WL/Mage can easily dominate a sage due to their Itd or stun vs a sage with not so much HP. At lvl 75, a well geared Sage with 50~60k can easily outheal any dmg come from WL/Mage and that is a endless duel if they go 1 on 1.
Like Gible was saying, 3 main factor in PvP is ITD then Abor and then heal/pots. Def has nothing to do in this situation. ITD will do the job of getting rid of all of your def even if you build it up to 100k or even 1mil def.
Sage aint supposed to be a killer for whatsoever reason. You are called healer for a reason, to heal, not to run around to dps people and kill them. There should be nothing to complain about Dmg of a sage
For 7 skills that Gible listed I think those skills that she thinks useful in PvP. You CANNOT SIT YOU BUTT DOWN in 1 spot and use those AoE circle heal because everyone will go after you as a healer. Some other not circle heal but doesnt give you any effect and have long time CD such as Cure is not useful at all in PvP (this is just my opinion).
Try to level to 75 and equip yourself 1st before you try to speak like you know all about Sage. I dont want to be mean but it seem to me that you only know the tip of the iceberg how to play a sage in PvP =/.
CHEER

P/S what people try to tell you is become a battle sage instead of a Support sage. Battle sage will mix their gear between heal + dps gear. Battle require you to be a skillful Sage to do that in order to heal + dps in the same time but mostly is useless since i doubt that you will have any time to dps at all due to being ganged + heal other party member.

And where did you get that I was saying I know it all? I'm simply saying it from how I see it from where I am at the moment. CPU's post came off quite a bit like "There's only one way to play this class, so I'm right you're wrong get out." I'm not trying to be rude there, and if that's not what they intended then I apologize, but that's how a lot of it came out. They made no attempt to actually explain other than "ITD > Absorb > Pots" and how "sages aren't meant to have any combat use," and simply went on about how I must not be playing a sage right.

Look in the guides section of the site. Look on the retail wiki. Do you see a single guide on how to play sages at all? What I know is only what I've managed to learn since I started playing on retail. On retail, even being dedicated, I wasn't capable of getting NEAR where I am now, so everything as a sage I've actually learned here.

Yes, I understand the main factors. In my opinion, the "ignore 100% defense" skills are extremely broken, but again, that's my opinion. Because then it DOESN'T matter at all what gear you have, all that matters is what gear the ENEMY has.

I never said that Devine Sanctuary was a viable option in PvP. If you would read, I said I was listing ALL of them, not just a handful like they did. Cure is a skill that I have used in PvP once, and that was when the group I was on wiped the other team and they hadn't respawned yet; the rest of the time, I'm using my instant casts (like Delayed Cure and Curative Wind).

I edited my post to mention that it wasn't offense capability I had issues with, but it seems the site ate it. When I said "combat capability," I forgot what most people read that was. I meant defense ability, survivability. Which a sage has nothing of. And when you're in small parties in PvP, it really stands out.

Again, where did I say I was claiming to know everything about sages? Where did I say I was claiming to know everything about playing a sage in PvP? I even admit that I DON'T PvP except on random occasions, because I don't particularly care for it. Maybe if PvP wasn't so broken in pretty much every MMO out there, I might get into it more.

I KNOW sages are meant to heal, not do damage. However, as you said, there is a "battle sage" build. People in game have often told me that I should "build like a warlock" despite the fact that I chose sage to be a healer. What few times I've been in battlefields have shown that people seem to EXPECT you to be a "battle sage." That's why I brought it up. Because people seem to think that sages are more than capable of doing both dps and heals, when they're not.

Again, Gible did not include a SINGLE bit of advice, they simply went on and on about how I must be playing a sage wrong. Not a little bit of assistance. No tips. Nothing. Despite you saying they're one of the best sages on the server, they made it clear that they don't like to help other sages. At least you provided some advice, though the entire tone of your post came off worse than theirs. You said you don't want to seem mean, but you started off your post and ended it with pretty much a direct verbal attack because omg, someone who's not max level said something.

This is why I don't care for PvP, and why I almost never post on the forums of the games I play. Because there's always people who will rip at you for not being a super-master or max level. Thanks for reminding me of that.

I still think ITD is completely overpowered and broken.

And next time you want to correct someone's comments, a few suggestions. This is for both you and Gible.
1- Be polite, even if deep down you might be seething. A little kindness goes a long way, and you'll never know if the person was truly ignorant of something or just playing dumb if you snap at them.
2- Provide explanation, while sticking with above. If you just go on like CPU says without giving any actual explanation (either in public or a PM to the person), then all you're doing is acting like an elitist rather than someone who knows the class.
3- Use common sense. Leave character level out of it, because unless you're explaining that "at this level, you'll only be able to do this, but at this level, you can do this, and this is why" it's entirely pointless to bring it up. Especially in the way you did it. It shouldn't matter whether someone is level 75 or level 1.
4- Don't put words in the person's mouth. Half of what both you and Gible "attacked" me for, I never even mentioned at all.

@ Rzx. If you want explanation I will give you explanation.
1st of all there is no such thing as playing your class right or wrong. You can play your class however you want to play it. Know how to play your class and play it wisely are 2 different things. At level 67 given all of those equipment and skills, sage can be easily to be dominated in PvP field no matter what you say. This is not retail, PvP here and there is a huge different. Give yourself a chance and level up to 75, then gear yourself up and see how much different between you at this moment and you in the future.
2nd: Battle sage. Sage has its own build to become a battle sage. And I will make this clear, I am not here to teach people how to build their class because you are on your own to find out what is the best for you. Like i explained about Battle sage, in retail being a battle sage give you a good advance in PvP field but here it is totally different. You wont have enough time at all to actually Dps anyone if you dont have a good team to back you up. You can always try it out but I dont really think it is recommended.
3rd: I read your post and I know YOU LISTED IT. So this is my point, I was just saying that skill is listed is somewhat useful skill. You dont have to listen to me or anyone else what skills you should be using and what is not. Like i said, you are on your own to build your own character. People can give in, people can say thing, but you are the one make the final call.
4th: Gible doesnt have to give off any advise if she doesnt want too. She is not a teacher working at NS iris School and go around giving people lesson and neither do I. Advise/tips in the end is just experience that players have against other classes, you want to get your tips/advise? go play more and test out more stuff.

Again you are not at the end of the game, there are still ton more of thing to test out. It is not the end of the world for you if you cant survive in PvP now. There is something that called Improving, try to do that.

Your class: Knight


Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

ANSWER: Protective armor (26% all damage absorbed 15sec duration) & Mighty Blow skill (Invoke skill:all damage absorbed 10%)


Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

ANSWER: in 3rd job, i want my "Protective Armor" skill to increase to 40% or 50% all damage absorbed to 30 sec's duration, so i can even atleast try to defend myself from zerk/merc ignored damage attack.. & "Mighty Blow" (invoke skill: 10% all damage absorbed) this skill has a very low chance to invoke, atleast give it a high chances maybe 75% chances to invoke this skill (Mighty Blow).. so with this 2 skill increased, this will benefit my knight from ignored DEF attack and battle stronger opponent like zerk/merk..


Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

ANSWER: Berserker/Mercenary/Sage(fast and instant heal so annoying and very hard to kill atleast increase their Healing skill cooldown)


Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

ANSWER: BERSERKERS: its like it has all the categories.they have fast attack even though they carrying a giant sword or 2hand sword..never seen an anime a 2hand wielder can attack fast.. imagine yourself holding a bigsword do you think you can attack fast or swing fast..well anyway,like i said zerker have all categories like, 3 ignored attack skills,silent skill,Increase Movement Speed, Reset skills, and a skill that makes all his attack turned to 35% ignored def damage for 15 sec durations..

MERCENARY: their skill called "Chilled Tempest Penetration" it penetrates on a opponent for 75% ignored def damage.. the problem for this skill it only has a 5 sec's cooldown,even if they miss the first time what is 5 sec's cooldown they can do it again until they penetrate the 75% ignored.. once u get infected with this 75% ignored def skill it last for 20sec's and.. i dont have any complain with this skill, but atleast increase it's Cooldown time..cause 5sec's cooldown doesnt make any big difference if they miss and didn't penetrate. like i said they can just do it again until it get penetrate to you..


so here.. changing 3rd class KNIGHT TO TEMPLAR,if i have to be given to increase like i said in Question 2 then i would have a slightest chance to battle those 2 class.. and also knight dont have any ignored attack skill so.. of course me as a knight would also want an ignored Def skill attack..

so here.. changing 3rd class KNIGHT TO TEMPLAR,if i have to be given to increase like i said in Question 2 then i would have a slightest chance to battle those 2 class.. and also knight dont have any ignored attack skill so.. of course me as a knight would also want an ignored Def skill attack..

Hmmm i can fell you man, but i think rather than Ignored Def skills, why not more damage absorb skills or more skills that stun, slow, or remove buffs. Coz for me rather than killing, knights should be the set up man for the killers. Also i really QQ bout the lvl 75 shields, they dont have motion effects (but the Shield from Nereus got a motion effect so

jasper, like i said in Question 2,that's already enough damage absorbed skill to sustain a knight.. if a 3rd job TEMPLAR increase the "Protective Armor" skill up to 40% or 50% then 30 seconds duration,surely i have no problem at all w/ the zerker and mercenary.. because using that skill(Protective Armor) needs a precise timing.. and what i notice also the attack skill called "Mighty Blow" it has a very low chances to activate the Invoke skill(10% all damage absorbed).. we all know that knight dont dealt that much damage to opponent or player..so atleast giving a knight a 2 ignored DEF skill attack would also help kill strong players.. but seriously! i havent meet a strong and capable of handling a KNIGHT in iris-noscrub, except me :woohoo:



P.S. i always stand infront of terminus fountain. :evil:

Class: Barbarian

Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

The AoE ignore skill. Just that. The barbarian lack everything D:

Your class: Barbarian


Q1. Name the one thing that you feel is the most important to your class? This could be a stat or a skill.

DOT, Aoe ITD/DOT Skills that makes Barbarian unique

Q2. What do you feel your class is currently lacking? Again, this could be a stat or a particular type of skill.

extra DOT DMG,

Hemorrage 6secs CD -700 Hp/s for 3 secs = 2100dmg
Switchblade(AOE) 18secs CD -500 Hp/s for 5 secs = 2500dmg
TempestThorns2 16secs CD -1000 Hp/s for 3 secs = 3000dmg +immo

if all hits total dmg would be +7600
comparing to an advents Serpent Sting 4.1secs CD -1500 Hp/s for 4secs = 6000

i wish these skills would be improved in the future as the Barbarian itself or the upcoming 3rd Class :woohoo:

Q3. Which class do you find really difficult to beat 1 vs 1?

Glad, Serk, Merce, Casters, Adv,

Q4. Explain briefly what makes them difficult for your class to beat.

Glad : ITD + HP abs + Slow + Stun + Immo + Silence
Serk : ITD + Slow + Stun + Silence + Recast
Casters : Push + Slow + Stun + DOT (Fire/Lightning) + WL ITD + Recast (Low Mdef)
Adv : Instant Heal + High Eva + ITD + OP Reflect + HP abs