AMEN, the truth came. debuff immunity is like instant escape which pisses me off at battlefield and even at pk maps. i like ur suggestion removing it.. that will be awesome.

I agree :v

i myself use these runes, and i can say they are actually really over powered and i want them removed, but not all. Only poison, physical and magical debuff runes.

here are my reasons :

1. as stated above, the combos of each classes are easily cancelled and escaped without any costs. because before, pvp players use ailments and dispel potions for escaping and canceling combos, but its not over powered BECAUSE they have cooldowns.

2. pvp is made easier and no challenge by having these runes. that being said the game is reaching the "pay to win" stage.

3. the "can only be used when standing" trick is not enough to limit the OPness of the runes.

4. skills debuffs like silence, -def, -eva, - movement speed should not be easily removed without cooldowns because that is what balances the pvp system from each and every classes specially melee vs ranged

5. crusader are pretty useless in pvp because of these runes.

my suggestion is this:
remove the poison, physical and magical debuff runes. but give those who bought those runes 1 free choice of runes among the following to replace but no refund. other runes such as speed, immobalise, stun, knock back and sleep debuffs are not as over powered, are acceptable and still can be countered. please think about it. thank you for da hard work sedy.

hayato23 wrote:

i myself use these runes, and i can say they are actually really over powered and i want them removed, but not all. Only poison, physical and magical debuff runes.

here are my reasons :

1. as stated above, the combos of each classes are easily cancelled and escaped without any costs. because before, pvp players use ailments and dispel potions for escaping and canceling combos, but its not over powered BECAUSE they have cooldowns.

2. pvp is made easier and no challenge by having these runes. that being said the game is reaching the "pay to win" stage.

3. the "can only be used when standing" trick is not enough to limit the OPness of the runes.

4. skills debuffs like silence, -def, -eva, - movement speed should not be easily removed without cooldowns because that is what balances the pvp system from each and every classes specially melee vs ranged

5. crusader are pretty useless in pvp because of these runes.

my suggestion is this:
remove the poison, physical and magical debuff runes. but give those who bought those runes 1 free choice of runes among the following to replace but no refund. other runes such as speed, immobalise, stun, knock back and sleep debuffs are not as over powered, are acceptable and still can be countered. please think about it. thank you for da hard work sedy.

thats much better than removing it.

I have to agree as well. Runes that give physical, magical, and poison debuff immunity ruins the skill combo of any class. I have physical immunity rune and I feel bad against any physical user, because I just use my mount and all their debuffs are gone. tbh, I don't have to use my intervention, nor my dispel potions; just heal and mount because of the rune.

Lowering the efficiency will make the runes useless tho, because I find them usefull on lvl85-and-below dungeons. I prefer increasing the efficiency of skills -- not all please.

One proposal is to remove physical, magic, poison immunity. retain the skill specific immunity and speed runes. Just like what hara said. If you think about it, players usually use a combination of stun, immo, slow, -deff, -eva, etc. etc. if you are able to remove one, it doesn't guarantee that the combo is ruined. It's just like using 1 dispel potion. (dispel-all potion is okay because it has a cooldown)

Another one is to give a %chance on the runes. That means, if you use your mount, it's not 100% that you will be able to remove the debuff. Idk, I'm just throwing ideas here so people with immunity runes won't QQ as much.

I will keep a watch on this post and see the opinions and ideas. I'm happy to make adjustments or full out remove them if it's absolutely necessary, but I would prefer to find other options first.

My original thoughts when introducing the immunity runes was to make you immune to new debuffs whilst mounted, not remove existing debuffs as it is now - allowing you to use them like dispel potions with no cooldown. But due to the way the immunity system works they do not work exactly as I originally planned.

i said this weeks ago. runes are way too op.

i like the speed runes tho.

you understand that the runes remove specific type if debuffs... if i have physical rune immue magic class debuff can still easily kill me, if i have magic immue rune so physical classes can easily kill me. thats how it works that why you cant have all of the runes in one mount. ofcourse if you have 5 mounts with all runes, well i am sorry rich people get more, same as rich people get stats VI and have op chars, isnt that op too?. if you remove only the magic, physical and poison debuff runes, other runes still can be used, as stun immue and will still counter alot of classes, as wizard for exmaple, even though they can be already easily countered my trans. so the runes are not op and you can always find a way to counter even those runes, use other trans or just use your damn skills and try atack without jst standing there like a statues and try kite abit. if you dont know how to play pvp so dont cry about those runes and just deal with it.

In the future, everyone can just have 3 mounts with poison, physical and magical debuff runes and become like immune from all debuffs. Then there is no point of having debuff skills in pvp when everyone can instantly remove them all with 0 cooldown.

D king wrote:
so the runes are not op and you can always find a way to counter even those runes, use other trans or just use your damn skills and try atack without jst standing there like a statues and try kite abit. if you dont know how to play pvp so dont cry about those runes and just deal with it.

How would you actually manage to lock your opponent if he can easily remove your debuffs? Whether you trans, or use your skills, those debuffs are easily removed -- just mount dude u have runes. Tbh, most class depends on their ITD to create some serious damage. Without the runes, [as the opponent] you have to time your ailments on that specific skill, but with runes you can just use your mount any time.

Runes and Stats VI? Very big difference. I won't start on this coz it will change topic.

D king wrote:

you understand that the runes remove specific type if debuffs... if i have physical rune immue magic class debuff can still easily kill me, if i have magic immue rune so physical classes can easily kill me. thats how it works that why you cant have all of the runes in one mount. ofcourse if you have 5 mounts with all runes, well i am sorry rich people get more, same as rich people get stats VI and have op chars, isnt that op too?. if you remove only the magic, physical and poison debuff runes, other runes still can be used, as stun immue and will still counter alot of classes, as wizard for exmaple, even though they can be already easily countered my trans. so the runes are not op and you can always find a way to counter even those runes, use other trans or just use your damn skills and try atack without jst standing there like a statues and try kite abit. if you dont know how to play pvp so dont cry about those runes and just deal with it.

stun immunity isnt that op because, you can still silence and immobalize them using your specific skills. but with physical and magical debuffs immunity, well you cant since their immune. okay lets say that you use trans stuns to lock your opponent, your opponent can easily use ailments for that matter, and by the time your trans's cooldown is up, his debuff potion is too. yes if i have physical rune immue magic class debuff can still easily kill me but thats not the point, yes you can counter the runes if its opposite your class, but what if he has 3 different mounts?? your allstats v and vi wont save you if you're stunned and you cant even put a slow on your enemy you see there are things you can deal with, but this is way too over powered.

i played both sides, as physical debuff type and magical debuff type... i fghted against people with runes, there are 2 sides here, or they get on their mount and keep runing for their lives and then you can easily win, or they try fight, but if they try fight and use mount every sec it will cause to the act they will lose alot of dmg on the target. if someone have ,magical debuff immue rune, so use lizard transon him to stun him, if he removed it once he cant remove it twice since dispell pots have cd. same goes to physical type. i play with the runes and still people who are smart enough to deal with it can easily lock me down. ofc if you try 1v1 someone it might be abit hard but still possible because of the reason i said above. but if not try for once play as team and use your teamates, thats why its a battle field with few players in it and not just one. also now instant mounts cost moolah wich is not that easy to get, so getting 3 mounts is realy hard, not talking about the fact that if you will keep switching mounts and use mounts every sec to remove debuffs, you will lose the dmg and you will be easily killed by the normal dmg even without ITD, thats how i saw it in bf.

LOL lower effi??? then for what that rune for??? is expensive stuff, better remove that all rune, then no more dismount like old time LOL, then can refund for that rune? hahahha

Coz the rune, hav dismount

D king wrote:

i played both sides, as physical debuff type and magical debuff type... i fghted against people with runes, there are 2 sides here, or they get on their mount and keep runing for their lives and then you can easily win, or they try fight, but if they try fight and use mount every sec it will cause to the act they will lose alot of dmg on the target.

ppl are using the mounts to glitch cast/attack (both magic and melee) making them do alot dmg and constantly immune with what ever rune they have.

"stun immunity isnt that op because, you can still silence and immobalize them using your specific skills"

um some classes main deterent are stuns.

Umpity wrote:

D king wrote:

i played both sides, as physical debuff type and magical debuff type... i fghted against people with runes, there are 2 sides here, or they get on their mount and keep runing for their lives and then you can easily win, or they try fight, but if they try fight and use mount every sec it will cause to the act they will lose alot of dmg on the target.

ppl are using the mounts to glitch cast/attack (both magic and melee) making them do alot dmg and constantly immune with what ever rune they have.

let me surprise you, very very few of the people know to gcast mounts, i know how to do it and i saw mybe 2 more people who can, except that none can. so because of few people you cant say its right because simple none can do that lol.

and let me tell you more that that, the stun/immobalize immue runes are even more op since they counter more then just one specific debuff type of specific class.

as Dking said, there are stun and immobilize immunity runes. removing the physical/magic/poison runes wont solve any problem at all. people would just be sitting on 2 different mounts with those 2 specific runes and then what? whine about that too? as much as i recall, people werent complaining about using trans cards to escape stuns or use it to keep chaining your combo (and it is for NEARLY FREE [lets be honest, gold can never be a issue] ). while here you have runes, which COSTS moolah, not everyone have them and it is for that reason, it costs money and a lot of time(else you donate ofc- helps the server) but the results are good and worth.

want a way to counter it? easily hit someone with a stun/immobilize while they are moving, they cant use a mount since it wont give them cuz they are not considered as standing (a case without a dispell potion)

in conclusion, you cant simply remove those physical/magic/poison immunity debuffs, hope for the best and get away of the other 2(immobilize, stun) which can annoy you the same way.

D king wrote:

i played both sides, as physical debuff type and magical debuff type... i fghted against people with runes, there are 2 sides here, or they get on their mount and keep runing for their lives and then you can easily win, or they try fight, but if they try fight and use mount every sec it will cause to the act they will lose alot of dmg on the target. if someone have ,magical debuff immue rune, so use lizard transon him to stun him, if he removed it once he cant remove it twice since dispell pots have cd. same goes to physical type. i play with the runes and still people who are smart enough to deal with it can easily lock me down. ofc if you try 1v1 someone it might be abit hard but still possible because of the reason i said above. but if not try for once play as team and use your teamates, thats why its a battle field with few players in it and not just one. also now instant mounts cost moolah wich is not that easy to get, so getting 3 mounts is realy hard, not talking about the fact that if you will keep switching mounts and use mounts every sec to remove debuffs, you will lose the dmg and you will be easily killed by the normal dmg even without ITD, thats how i saw it in bf.

alright, lets say you're both melee physical attacker. runed player vs non runed player, how would he non runed player win? either he uses transformation that gives magical stun, or poisonous stun right? but the runed player has options, 4 OTHER OPTIONS. IF HE USES LIZARD IN FROZEN NEST, HE CAN REMOVE IT BY USING POISON DISPEL 1 POTION, OR HE CAN USE POTION DISPEL 2, OR POTION DISPEL 3 SINCE THEY DONT SHARE COOLDOWN, BETTER YET USE AILMENTS THAT CAN BE BOUGHT IN BF VENDOR. another thing, thats why its called "INSTANT" mount, how the hell could that waste your time if its instant?? plus you can glitch with it, oh hell yes its that easy to glitch with mount. NEXT THING IS.... Well if you have mounts you can still easily escape teamfights because of that runes because you can be immune to 1 or 2 class that is in your back if its a physical attacker right?? and again as i said you can use 4 different types of dispel potions to escape, be flexible a little bit. yes runes are expensive, yes moolah mounts are expensive and yes you should farm or donate in order to have it. but that doesnt change the fact that they are extremely over powered. please be considerate to other players.

Ash wrote:

as Dking said, there are stun and immobilize immunity runes. removing the physical/magic/poison runes wont solve any problem at all. people would just be sitting on 2 different mounts with those 2 specific runes and then what? whine about that too? as much as i recall, people werent complaining about using trans cards to escape stuns or use it to keep chaining your combo (and it is for NEARLY FREE [lets be honest, gold can never be a issue] ). while here you have runes, which COSTS moolah, not everyone have them and it is for that reason, it costs money and a lot of time(else you donate ofc- helps the server) but the results are good and worth.

want a way to counter it? easily hit someone with a stun/immobilize while they are moving, they cant use a mount since it wont give them cuz they are not considered as standing (a case without a dispell potion)

in conclusion, you cant simply remove those physical/magic/poison immunity debuffs, hope for the best and get away of the other 2(immobilize, stun) which can annoy you the same way.

what?stun and immobilize immunity runes are not op. as they only remove one locking ability. if a runed player has a stun immunity, what should you do to catch him? well first you can silence him which the stun immunity runes cant remove, second you can immobilize him which the stun immunity runes cant remove? you can sleep him?? since THE RUNES ONLY REMOVES "STUN". and there you have it, you can LOCK him up even if its 1v1 and you have the same class but your opponent have runes. removing physical/magical/poison runes will actually solve the problem because those who use runes wont be as over powered as they are .well if they are sitting with stun and immobalize runes YOU CAN SILENCE them, -DEF, BLEED THEM, AND MORE OPTIONS THAT YOU CAN USE. LASTLY WELL TRANS CARDS HAVE COOLDOWNS THATS WHY PEOPLE ARENT COMPLAINING. and about that countering it, you can only stun the target and they cant mount when they are attacking you, but it doesnt always works.

conclusion, immobilize and stun immunity runes have WAAAAAAAAAY MORE counters than physical/magical/poison immunity runes. tehee

P.S. you can use 10 different types of debuff potions. with 30 secs cooldown. EACH. *Mic drop*

and they think mount/runes are expensive? not now cuz you can farm 9moolah everyday yes it will takes time to finish but still you can get it for free not you saying its only for who donated in game please try to be active first before you comment not just saying anything w/o conclusion and this game is not pvp focus if its usable in high level dgn you think some of them will against on it??but no right lets think this if sedy makes it 11 efficiency sure this post will not here cuz i really not always pvping that much but such as some people so annoyed on that cuz we know so many we can do before to make you survive and so many things become useless when that rune came out you dont need to have dispel pots so much you dont need so many trans card just niren in inventory is enough now not like before you need lizard/zombie etc trans + dispel pots that has poison/magic/phy and bf dispel its equivalent to 4 to dispelled some debuff... you can use dispel pots while in that transform monster so you still immune to stun while you already dispel their immo skill that has cd..and yes that phy/magic runes you dont need that both that you saying just need one like phy and use dispel if its magic disable and likewise...that why you dont need to be rich to have them both and to have so many mount just that runes makes so many items become useless...and we were talking about mount that can doubled your movement speed while you're immune to some debuff so how you can chase that so easily? if he/she has phy immune yes you can use magic stun while immune in phy and yet they have dispel pots to instantly remove that magic stun or poison immo while still immune in phy or vise versa and while have 1.5k++Movement speed

Then we should ask sedy remove free moolah, so this server can survive.
this is why always cash stuff will be OP, do u think wing and no wing ppl is balance??? come on if no OP ppl wont buy it using cash stuff, yeah u can farm it now, farm free moolah can u calculate for me, how many days u take to get 1 rune and 1 mount from free moolah?

Wie wrote:

Then we should ask sedy remove free moolah, so this server can survive.
this is why always cash stuff will be OP, do u think wing and no wing ppl is balance??? come on if no OP ppl wont buy it using cash stuff, yeah u can farm it now, farm free moolah can u calculate for me, how many days u take to get 1 rune and 1 mount from free moolah?

this has nothing to do with moolah , and this is not comparible to wings and isnt an issue of whether someone buys the runes or not.
the runes are op.
if everyone had runes they would still be op even people that have them say they are op.
they have no cooldown and negate all class specific skills.
might as well just create a one class game and take away all stuns , imob, silence, etc.
cause thats basically what it has done.

i dont know how about you, but if you all say its easy to get, and that mounts easy to gcast... so why the hell i dont see people runing in bf with runes? or why i dont see people gcast mounts?. dont get cocky about it, if you think it easy show me i will clap you. i played with physical rune and oh surprise 2 ppl easily killed me, why? because they know how to fcking play this damn game. if you dont know what to do and how to handle it stop crying and get better else lets just remove all the stuff we can buy and make this boring. ppl who donated always got more, thats how it works, and yes i can compare wings and stats VI cus if you simple much much stronger with those stuff its also unbalanced to regular player, again else you are just better player.

D king wrote:

i dont know how about you, but if you all say its easy to get, and that mounts easy to gcast... so why the hell i dont see people runing in bf with runes? or why i dont see people gcast mounts?. dont get cocky about it, if you think it easy show me i will clap you. i played with physical rune and oh surprise 2 ppl easily killed me, why? because they know how to fcking play this damn game. if you dont know what to do and how to handle it stop crying and get better else lets just remove all the stuff we can buy and make this boring. ppl who donated always got more, thats how it works, and yes i can compare wings and stats VI cus if you simple much much stronger with those stuff its also unbalanced to regular player, again else you are just better player.

haiz. first you cant see ppl in bf with runes because you dont play much. second, why cant you see ppl glitch with mount in pvp? coz u dont play much. third, maybe you dont maximize your options and your against 2 magical users, or you're just really... you know. again, you cant compare runes to wings or all stats vi because, yes wings and all stats vi are extremely expensive and so does the runes, BUT the runes are UNBALANCED. they can be as expensive as sedy likes as long as they are not super overpowered. allstats vi and wings may give you high defense and damage but so long as you maximize your options and use roots,stun,silence,-attack speed and etc. you have a high probability of winning, well if your options are limited to just damaging them by itd, you think you'd win? P.S. never compare such things again, please its very... you know.

hayato23 wrote:

D king wrote:

i dont know how about you, but if you all say its easy to get, and that mounts easy to gcast... so why the hell i dont see people runing in bf with runes? or why i dont see people gcast mounts?. dont get cocky about it, if you think it easy show me i will clap you. i played with physical rune and oh surprise 2 ppl easily killed me, why? because they know how to fcking play this damn game. if you dont know what to do and how to handle it stop crying and get better else lets just remove all the stuff we can buy and make this boring. ppl who donated always got more, thats how it works, and yes i can compare wings and stats VI cus if you simple much much stronger with those stuff its also unbalanced to regular player, again else you are just better player.

haiz. first you cant see ppl in bf with runes because you dont play much. second, why cant you see ppl glitch with mount in pvp? coz u dont play much. third, maybe you dont maximize your options and your against 2 magical users, or you're just really... you know. again, you cant compare runes to wings or all stats vi because, yes wings and all stats vi are extremely expensive and so does the runes, BUT the runes are UNBALANCED. they can be as expensive as sedy likes as long as they are not super overpowered. allstats vi and wings may give you high defense and damage but so long as you maximize your options and use roots,stun,silence,-attack speed and etc. you have a high probability of winning, well if your options are limited to just damaging them by itd, you think you'd win? P.S. never compare such things again, please its very... you know.

i think you dont realy know what chars i play and what i play, i join bf enough to see what going on there. before you say i dont join much ask yourself, on what chars i play and when i join. i believe i know how to play this game pretty good ^^, who knows me will say if i play bad or good, if i play that bad as you think, then oki i wont say a thing more and have fun deleting them, but if i play good i now what i am talking about. now lets think am i good or bad... hmm idk let the people decide.
P.S bro once long time ago poeple complained about wings and stats VI being op too cus players with money could have so much more and kill even a better player, from then things changed, now this? somthing else will happen and it will be balanced, tho even now i dont see the problem.

WHEN YOU HAVE RUNES you have a mini prophet tadaaaa. DKING lets make a deal. remove gcast from casters, and remove my gltiching ability with mount.

D king wrote:
i played with physical rune and oh surprise 2 ppl easily killed me, why? because they know how to fcking play this damn game. .

you know how they killed you? they used their brains, and they didnt rely on the fucking runes. or maybe they are not physical damage dealers. HAHA.

also the stats VI and wings are not related here. my character is only using IV stats. the pvp is based on the skills NOT YOUR STUPID VI STATS AND WINGS.

PS I CAN KILL YOU xD

i dont know how about you, but if you all say its easy to get, and that mounts easy to gcast... so why the hell i dont see people runing in bf with runes? or why i dont see people gcast mounts?. dont get cocky about it, if you think it easy show me i will clap you.

you're using sin and you dont know how to gcast with mount im sad for you hahahah and how you can see ppl using runes in bf you're not even playing even rdps can do that also so you dont know how it works??
and comparing stats VI to immunity? when stats gave immune to stun/immo/phy/magic debuff? your stats VI aint gonna work if ppl can lock you down thats so simple even youre fully VI stats you will not survive if you dont have immunity

shining wrote:

i dont know how about you, but if you all say its easy to get, and that mounts easy to gcast... so why the hell i dont see people runing in bf with runes? or why i dont see people gcast mounts?. dont get cocky about it, if you think it easy show me i will clap you.

you're using sin and you dont know how to gcast with mount im sad for you hahahah and how you can see ppl using runes in bf you're not even playing even rdps can do that also so you dont know how it works??
and comparing stats VI to immunity? when stats gave immune to stun/immo/phy/magic debuff? your stats VI aint gonna work if ppl can lock you down thats so simple even youre fully VI stats you will not survive if you dont have immunity

I play as a dps clas in bf, if you dont know what i play so please dont say . And i gcast it pretty well with the mount. I can compare it because people who pay get more thats how it always works.

you're using sin you dont even know how to gcast in mount??im sad for you...i will tell you something even rdps can do that now gcasting using mount tada you've learn something now

now you're not saying your not playing sin?ye ye you have sorc that has runes right you just dont want to remove it cuz your sorc will get rekt?you not even thinking how magic type are so OP becuz of that runes?i know you dont cuz you have thats why u dont want to remove it

shining wrote:

you're using sin you dont even know how to gcast in mount??im sad for you...i will tell you something even rdps can do that now gcasting using mount tada you've learn something now

I think you should read what i wrote, i gcast it with mount all the time thats how i play my sorc, and thats how i play my sin sadly mount is usless for me on sin cus there are other ways to gcast there, so tada learn to read first and tada you leaen somthing new.

shining wrote:

now you're not saying your not playing sin?ye ye you have sorc that has runes right you just dont want to remove it cuz your sorc will get rekt?you not even thinking how magic type are so OP becuz of that runes?i know you dont cuz you have thats why u dont want to remove it

Oh but i also play and assasin clasd, and wind walker, and tank and saint with no runes, and yeah magic classes realy hurt those type of classes but thats how i should be. I played with and without those runez, yes its easier to play with them, but let me surprise you they can be countered, if you dont know how, well i am sorry then go and learn tadaaaa learn somthing new.

Nitoryu wrote:

also the stats VI and wings are not related here. my character is only using IV stats. the pvp is based on the skills NOT YOUR STUPID VI STATS AND WINGS.

PS I CAN KILL YOU xD

PS come and kill me then ^^

Nitoryu wrote:

WHEN YOU HAVE RUNES you have a mini prophet tadaaaa. DKING lets make a deal. remove gcast from casters, and remove my gltiching ability with mount.

You know the interesting thing... from all the times i saw you play you never glitched skills with mounts... hmm is there way the player changed ? Or mybe you learn somthing new? I am not so sure about it.
PS still waiting for you to kill me btw.

D king wrote:

shining wrote:

now you're not saying your not playing sin?ye ye you have sorc that has runes right you just dont want to remove it cuz your sorc will get rekt?you not even thinking how magic type are so OP becuz of that runes?i know you dont cuz you have thats why u dont want to remove it

Oh but i also play and assasin clasd, and wind walker, and tank and saint with no runes, and yeah magic classes realy hurt those type of classes but thats how i should be. I played with and without those runez, yes its easier to play with them, but let me surprise you they can be countered, if you dont know how, well i am sorry then go and learn tadaaaa learn somthing new.

counter? i already told you the only counter, and how they counter that specific counter. if you have nothing useful to say, please dont make yourself look more stupid.

you're the who looks stupid here first comparing stats to immunity since when all stats gave you immunity?? tell me its so different to compare that two here while were talking about immunity stats card only gives some amount of hp def eva etc not immunity to debuffs