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Hi. Before you all go hating on me, please hear me out first.
I think its time that I point out how incredibly game breaking instant mounts have become. We all know what instant mounts can do and anyone who has them in their inventory in-game, wether melee or ranged, immediately don't have to worry about people escaping from their wrath or getting chased for stupidly diving into 999 people as it gives us 100% movespeed in a single click. Class' built-in escape mechanisms such as Windwalkers blink/sprint skill or Caster's teleport have become only a 2nd option for escaping/chasing. Melees don't even need to build on movespeed anymore as they can just hit-mount-hit-mount-and-so-on their targets to death. Same goes for ranged classes and to some extent, even more overpowered in their case. I myself, abused this mount ever since I got them, but I think it has made things too easy.
However, nerfing it brutally will yield an incredible amount of QQs specially with the community already spent 50 bucks on them. So might I suggest a bit subtle way of tweaking to bring back a little bit of balance. It's simple and not that harmless to its value as it doesnt really make it useless. Just give it a cooldown, 10-15s of cooldown every usage. This way people will have to smarten up when to use the mount's movespeed bonus instead of just turning it into an unlimited +100% movespeed skill.
Go Spurs!
I think its time that I point out how incredibly game breaking instant mounts have become. We all know what instant mounts can do and anyone who has them in their inventory in-game, wether melee or ranged, immediately don't have to worry about people escaping from their wrath or getting chased for stupidly diving into 999 people as it gives us 100% movespeed in a single click. Class' built-in escape mechanisms such as Windwalkers blink/sprint skill or Caster's teleport have become only a 2nd option for escaping/chasing. Melees don't even need to build on movespeed anymore as they can just hit-mount-hit-mount-and-so-on their targets to death. Same goes for ranged classes and to some extent, even more overpowered in their case. I myself, abused this mount ever since I got them, but I think it has made things too easy.
However, nerfing it brutally will yield an incredible amount of QQs specially with the community already spent 50 bucks on them. So might I suggest a bit subtle way of tweaking to bring back a little bit of balance. It's simple and not that harmless to its value as it doesnt really make it useless. Just give it a cooldown, 10-15s of cooldown every usage. This way people will have to smarten up when to use the mount's movespeed bonus instead of just turning it into an unlimited +100% movespeed skill.
Go Spurs!
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Kelly is correct. But don't get me wrong, I love how instant mounts are right now, everyone does. I just think that is making things too one-dimensional in-game. No one plays safe, everyone's reckless, and still gets away with it. I just think it would be better for the pvp meta-game if mounts were given a minor blow. A very minor blow. -
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LOL if u put CD in that mount, im doubt people will buy it. I dont hav moolah mount, and i dont like it either, coz they can run so easy. But seriously that makes this games fun, if u want kill ur target, so go farm ur moolah and buy that moolah mount one.
^^ hav fun -
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Much as everyone's bitter about this, I agree with the suggestion. [I can also prove Allen did abuse the mount, heh.]
I myself remember how annoying was it that everyone just ran away from me in PvP when they were losing (being a pre-update Knight with nothing to prevent them from doing so) and vice-versa, chasing me effortlessly when winning, but that's not really the point...point is, this directly interferes with - and destroys - the PvP metagame.
Why ever use classes' escape mechanisms when you can x2 speed and effortlessly retreat? Why chasing retreating people knowing you cannot stop them from doing this, not even with dismount abilities? If we're talking about class abilities - for Zerks, why saving up cooldowns to chase/retreat? etc, etc.
Contrary to cie wie's opinion - it's not about who hasn't/has the mount, it's about the mount itself destroys the meta, eliminating the need to care about your M.Spd (which is a major stat PvP-wise). It doesn't get better when everyone has these mounts - the people are still NOT equal in chances, as some classes (Zerks, Sorcs, Snipers) benefit from M.Spd much greater than others. There is still an imbalance.
inb4 comments: anything not directed at the topic itself [e.g. "if you don't have it, stfu"] will be ignored, as will be "just no"-esque comments.
Props to Allen. -
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Finally someone who understands my point! I really think that this would be a good thing to start with, if only everyone would be considerate and willing enough to allow balancing in-game instead of just settling and compromising for what is obviously a broken aspect of the Pvp meta in this server. But as always, I seriously doubt it.
Much appreciated reply, Fist. (: -
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I had that moolah mount 2 years ago. Yes it was indeed fun, I already admit that I enjoyed abusing that mount. But that's the point, it is something that we can all abuse and is changing the pace of the Pvp from strategic skill usage with teams to "spam-mount-spam-mount-spam". Now It may seem like I'm being a selfish prick here saying that I've enjoyed it, and we shouldn't let the new guys feel the power. I'm merely pointing out that it is something that is broken. Wether you agree with my suggestion or not, it doesn't really matter much to me. -
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I agree. A mount with 0 casting its like speed potion and even those have a cooldown.
Mounts casting works as a channeling skill that can be interrupted when hit with critical damage. If there's no cast you can't prevent a person of poping the mount and retreat. Having a small cooldown can at least make it more balanced and make people use pvp strategy instead of spam mount to run away or chase. -
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yeah you have a point to all this but what if you are looking at this the wrong way, moolah mounts are OP but owl tran + mount then stun and bam they cant run but if you want to really pin point errors in running of PVP why not bitch about the fact of players using absorb pots then log out jutsu to save their CP, if you want to PVP you just have to be smart with how you use the accesories you have at you're demand, most classe now have speed debuff attacks of 30% or move even with moolah mount active it still effects you, and another thing of stuns, if you are quick and know they are going to run stun them so they cant simple also people when bored like to muck around with the instant cast to entertain themselves. anyway thats my imput on this -
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If there's CD wouldn't you just mount away and run for a good 10-15 seconds then spam then mount again? I can envision people running in circles(sorta). :P -
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Playing this games is not always say feel the power, u need use strategic, if ppl keep running from u, try use mons transform or others ways so u can stop him from do that. If u say like that then how about ppl use log out from battle?? same right? its not always about power. Need good pilot so u can win from battle -
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The answer to your question is in the paragraph that i made where you took that quote. Unless you are too stupid to read and understand the paragraph or if you're just here to attempt to discredit me --- I hope you don't mind if I don't repeat myself.
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This is only a suggestion thread. If you guys don't like it, a simple "NO" would suffice. You may also try ignoring the thread if you do not wish to support it. Thanks! -
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I understand your point regarding finding strategic ways to counter a problem. I would've never came here to point this out if I never thought of this thoroughly. Like what Fistand was saying, IT is rather hard to deal with. That's why I believe that having a cooldown for the instant mount, a reasonable duration ranging from 10 to 15s, will make people choose the proper time to use it. Instead of constantly relying on it to save your ass if you put your self in a bad position offensively or defensively. (:
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