Have you tried playing a Saint?

I cannot kill an OP prophet even I who has 18k++ phy attack. x3 (literally) Worst? If he hits and heal against me (Sniper) I will die. But that won't happen, coz I run fast. End of the story. lol.

If the circles will be removed, well. that's a different story. GL though. x_x

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The game has changed a lot yes, and why shouldn't it? You can't keep it the same forever or it would get dull and boring and people would leave. Just look at retail dieing. I don't really care that some job before was known for it's stun, knockback or whatever it was or if they were a debuffer, a tank, or a damage dealer.

Half the jobs were never played before because they were underpowered or boring to play, now nearly all the jobs are played. I'm not trying to pretend that everything is perfect and balanced now, or that the current situation with jobs will remain the same, because they won't, I still got plenty of things to fix on nearly all jobs.

About healer skills in general. Yeh a lot of them have a negative side but something like that had to be done because healers were becoming unkillable if they had the right gear and knew how to play properly and still are to some extent. Also, there is only so many types of skill you can give a healer so we wanted to try and do something different. A lot of those skills are incredibly powerful if you just open your eyes and find ways to use them. Sure it's not always wise to use some of them in certain situations, most are very situational,.but if you don't like using them or can't find a way to make them useful, you have plenty of other skills at your disposal. Anyway I say a lot of them. There are still a couple that I don't like and will be changing in a future update.

And putting "This was not intended to be QQ -> Just some serious thinking on the matter." at the end of your QQ post does not stop it being QQ. If you have constructive criticism or ideas then share them by all means, but re-read your post before hitting the send button.

I haven't played a Prophet very long, so I don't know what this is about.. Maybe some things need to be fixed, maybe not, but I wouldn't complain openly UNTIL I tried every skill and LEARNED ways to deal with the down side of it.. How about you play around with skills and technique, and Priests/Saints have it rougher than us, they don't have COMMUNION, we do.. so why complain? =/

wow, ty i guess? xD

I reread the post before sending it, tvm ^^
Its no QQ~believe me i could do that better ;D
I hoped to get some other peoples point of view too.
But if you dont care for what we think, i guess i wont bother anymore.

I posted different matters that i find make no sense~isnt that constructive?
I said what i think is idk...maybe weird bout skills.

What do you think about my points 2 n 3? I think AT LEAST these are valid critic on the skills.

Dont get me wrong~ I dont want sage to be undieable, or too op to be fun to play.
But i want skills, that make sense to use.

I love to play my sage.

I tried to play priest, but just is not my class.
I dont want to stop playing my prophet lol, i love it.

I just wanted to point out some flaws in the skills.
But as I see its not apreciated.

Ye cuz saint is fucking harder to play... ofc would pick the easiest and blessed class duh~

yeah so hard being a saint QQ

I never said it was easy to play or anything o_O
It's just nto my class.... like i can't play lock cuz i just dont enjoy it.... it's not my fault
Thank you for beeing understanding so much~

so many stuns? really ? that is the way to kill a healer .....

1) mp-circle

Basically this is shit.... if you put this circle and you get damaged....your mp goes down SO fast.
And we all know what this means~ healer without mp= dead
So i can basically only use the circle when im not in war to recover mp

I dont get this point. Dude, it's just like you on niria trans, once you get hit your MP would go down as well. So i dont see the point for you to say this. Actually due to the high mp consumption now, I find MP circles useful lol.

) Stuns

In this game are too many stuns now.
How do you expect us to heal if we get constantly stunned?
And so many different stuns, we cant even use a circle much bcz.... many skills have other debuffs
like using red circle~ but debuff is magic or whatever

Stuns yeah? there are alot of alternatives aside from the red/blue circles. e.g. Lizard Transformation cards/ailments. Unless you dont use them to survive lol.

7) Sage vs. Priest-Circle complains

I saw many priests comlain about the op-ness of circles.
Sure its good. If you CAN STAY IN IT. What mostly never is the case.... like if you want to heal, you need to follow your partymembers
or in some cases get pushed out of your circle.

Shouldn't this be the other way around? If you're in PK or in battlefield, if you wanted to survive, shouldnt you stick with the healer and not the healer to the scattered party members?

9) Classes in generall

....are messed up. Templar kinda unkillable, the classes arent like they were before~
Like for example everyone knew: Sw= debuffer
Mage= stunner
Lock= pusher

I do agree that Templar is kinda OP in terms of their bajillion silences/stuns or whatever they are called, plust they're hard to kill. High HP+def/abs. But lol on Mage=stunner and Lock= pusher. Even before the 3rd jobs were released, Magicians are the stunners and Locks are the pushers, not unless you have a different iris played. LOL

1) dont call me dude
Yeah so nice, mp-circle helps me when i dont get damaged.....useless in war and higher dungeons or sthg....
Sure helps, wehn you dont get atacked/ i didnt say, it doesnt help then, right?
Can step out of it when someone start atacking me, but meh~whats the sense?

6) stuns
ik that o_O and i did not complain i get stunned now and then or sthg,
but its kinda not fun to play if u get stunned nonstop all the time~ and the point was not directed on prophets only

7) LOL
ik it should...... tell that to other ppl, thank you very much~

9) uhm, didn i say that? oo
mage= stunner, lock =pusher oo
*confused*

1. Okay Dudette, Naw, MP circles are highly useful in dungeons. again due to high mp usage, MDPS'es benefit from it in terms of PvE.

6. I dont get your point. You dont complain yet your statement says so. And dont be too exaggerated. Stun skills have cooldowns too. So if you encountered a class which has non-stop stuns then PM me in game i'll be glad to see that.

7. No, actually i must tell it to you, since i think everyone knows it already aside from you.

9. Yes you did say that. I even quoted it for you.

1) I said myself that they are usefull, if you dont get atacked /damaged by someone O_o

6) maybe its cuz i'm not thinking like 1vs1, more like party aginst party or raid~
I didn say its from 1 class only xD
Ik in 1 on 1 i have enough chance to debuff myself or use otehr methods....

7) Hm...then tell to the people that know it already, to act like it too.
Cuz..... most players don care for it~

9) I DONT GET U
you said urself that magician is stunner, n locks pusher.....
exactly like i did? I dont get what problem you have there

1. Where can you find PK or battefield situation where in you are not getting attacked. seriously?

6.Well duh.. If you're facing bajillions of stunners then yeah. Expect to be stunlocked. pfft.

7. You arent the bosses of all prophets for them to follow what you think.

9. dafuq? Seriously? can you reread what i said about this.

You said "classes in general...are messed up. Templar kinda unkillable, the classes arent like they were before~
Like for example everyone knew: Sw= debuffer
Mage= stunner
Lock= pusher"

I LOL'd when you said that mage=stunner and locks are pusher with the statement "the classes arent like they were before~". Common sense dudette.

Ehm Oo Maybe YOU should reread some of my words too.
I don't feel like discussing this anymore cuz I dont get the feeling like you seriously want to discuss this.
And I'm not going to be the aim for you~ go kill someone in warzone or whatever if your bored.

I never said I was some boss of prophets or whatever you make it out to be.

I like to play my class, thats all. Im no perfect player nor do I pretend to know ALL about all classes and all gamemechanics.

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Hi, can i comment a bit too? Just to create a constructive discussion.

1) mp-circle
Basically this is shit.... if you put this circle and you get damaged....your mp goes down SO fast.
And we all know what this means~ healer without mp= dead
So i can basically only use the circle when im not in war to recover mp

I beg to disagree with this one. MP Circles of Prophets are insanely helpful/useful in PK/BFs. I don't think it's a shitty skill at all. But of course, you can't have it all. In exchange of saving up some HP you have to sacrifice some of your MP, which is--imo, more better than to lose HP in a couple of seconds. That's one reason why people use Niria's MP shield. It's an early life-saver, or w/e. As far as i know, mp circle also regenerates a lump-sum of MP as long as you are in the circle. The main purpose of this circle is not just for your own sake, it's for the whole team/party unlike Saint's self-buff Mana shield. If the moment comes that you are running out of MP, there's always a lot of way to quickly recover with what you've lost: MP Potions (It's a bit better to spam mp pots than hp pots, right?) and if you still get ganged up, there's 100% abs pot, Nirenia Trans (that only uses 72 MP). It can buy you some time to recover from your lost MP while you're still in the circle.

To cut it short, this MP Circle is a VERY useful skill when it comes to party PvPs compared to Saint's MP self-shield.

Stuns

In this game are too many stuns now.
How do you expect us to heal if we get constantly stunned?
And so many different stuns, we cant even use a circle much bcz.... many skills have other debuffs
like using red circle~ but debuff is magic or whatever

Like what Aqua said, trans/ailments/100%pots/HP pots will buy you some time to recover/avoid an imminent death. With the new skills and PvP styles that people do; we can't keep on comparing the old to the new era that we have now. The PvP scene have been greatly changed, it evolved into a more competitive scene, unlike before that Healers can be 'immortal', Berserkers can be a '1-man-team', Warlocks are being 'bow'd-down' to, and etc. Now, a lot have changed. And with change, we should adapt to it as well.

7) Sage vs. Priest-Circle complains

I saw many priests comlain about the op-ness of circles.
Sure its good. If you CAN STAY IN IT. What mostly never is the case.... like if you want to heal, you need to follow your partymembers
or in some cases get pushed out of your circle.

In general, Prophets are mostly more chosen to be in a PK-war party than Saints. Why? Because they give circles and they somewhat have more AOE heals, they have more use when it comes to party-related stuff. Then again, Prophets like Saints have their limitations. They can't have it all.

9) Classes in generall

....are messed up. Templar kinda unkillable, the classes arent like they were before~
Like for example everyone knew: Sw= debuffer
Mage= stunner
Lock= pusher

Like what i've keep on saying.. Templars aren't Gods that just stroll around and walk as if they won't take any damage. Time changes and so is the way things go. And imo, Templars deserve to be imba-Tough, 'coz that's their job. To tank, to take, to absorb damages.

SW = Assassins may be a pain in the butt coz of their debuffs but most of their skills are for single-target only. BF/PK now is more on a team-play oriented scene. Wind Walkers are AOE physical debuffers/disablers and so are Gunners. Unlike before...mail classes are treated as underdogs/useless.

Magicians/Wizards are the counterpart of mail-users when it comes to debuffs. They don't just do stuns, they even 99999999% slow you and even do immobilization on you like crazy.

Warlocks/Sorcs aren't just 'pushers' anymore. They throw incredible damages, they don't just gcast to kill someone--they actually do a proper skill flow to pwn someone.


Anyway, it's not about how imbalanced a class could be. It's how you use your class and how to become an effective player that matters--Whatever class you are in. There's no imba-class, there's no OP-skills. It all lies to the one using the character. I've seen a lot of really good players when it comes to PvP and some of them don't have 'moolah items' but they use their class very effectively.

Just because someone is so good at using a certain job doesn't make the class OP. it's the person behind it who's OP.

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Sorry for the long post. :/ i don't think i made any sense. LOL *goes back to sleep*

*HUGS TIMMY* :3

Aquarius said "How can you kill an OP prophet if you're not OP as well?"

BLAME AQUA FOR FLAME-BAITING. :3

so a templar hitting for 45k isn't op, k.

OP means knowing what your pros and overcoming your cons. You can be all stat VI and i'll kill you with just all stat IV.

Dont you start blabbering nonsense and talking shits and saying vulgars in a different language, not unless you dont want others to see you as bad as you can be? or wait, maybe you want to tell them that what you say are good things. awww poor you. Again, how can you kill a prophet 1v1? healers are made not to die on a single player, thus they have higher survivablity.

And btw, whether t's me or alpha who said that statement, it doesnt matter. Seeing you affected this much is too hilarious ) how pathetic.

TS: Please understand Aqua for her/his "constructive criticism". And timmy, I think your kind, but please share it with aqua. She barely needs that.

P.S. Timmy, I apologize for the previous replies I have made. ^___^

I apologize for my off words. Nyways, ohh, aqua "OP means knowing what your pros and overcoming your cons.", really? I bet to disagree on your belief. And I will never believe in your story, like...who are you anyway? LOL. And you always laugh on others idea, well lemme tell you this...If only your kind, baka nakipag-flirt pq sayo, or baka nagtapat nq nang pag-ibig sayo.
Translated; "I might end-up courting or i might tell my feelings to you".

#imseriousaqua

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First, I didnt tell you to believe me, it's not my loss whether you believe me or not. Who am I? Aren't you reading? My name is Aquarius. I dont laugh on other people's idea. tbh, to your idea only i guess? So you're saying you're gay over me?

imseriousaqua=LOL

Now that's nonsense =))

Oh trust me im kind. :3 apparently not to ..... :/

oh come on bish..HAHAHA..

Dumpyyyy im kind :3

Hi eevee, yes. A Templar hitting 45k isn't OP. I'd be more scared of wizards/Sorc/vanqs rather than get scared of templar's "45k" dmg.

Lol my point being it isn't the "player" thats op, it's the certain skills that certain classes have. Why do you think so many people are job changing? If it was the player that was OP they wouldn't need to job change now would they~

I do agree templar is bit over the top. *nod* *nod* *nod*

Hi Linn, thank you for pointing out flaws and all, but if we compare Saint vs. Prophet after the 3rd Job Update, we can say that Prophets became more useful in PVP and in Dungeons. for the first weeks we (saints) QQd a lot, until sedy made some adjustments in both Prophet and Saint, to make them balanced in a way. Prophets and Saints are the only healer class we have in this game. they both have flaws and unique skills. for now, master your job. if you can't... try harder. o3o

OP means knowing what your pros and overcoming your cons.

it depends on how YOU as the player, HANDLE your toon. It is always about YOUR strategy, skill flow, and pattern. epic items, VI cards, foods, pots, and trans cards are there to AID you in pvp/pve. it's not the other way around. okay? okay.

gerberto says no.

OMG. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

idk about you guys but in my point of view, i don't see 'em being "too much". I'd still take Vanq's perfect hits as more "op" than Templars'--that's based on my experience. :3

YOU are not WE so don't try to make out I don't care about the players thoughts and suggestions, this entire server is built around the players and their suggestions. I just don't appreciate reading posts like yours that come across as whining or mildly offensive. I spend a lot of my own time to keep this server going strong and I don't appreciate being told "this is shit", "this is useless", QQ etc. If you don't like how something is then by all means say so, but do it like an adult if you want a serious response from me.

Great post, couldn't have said it better myself

Ofc vanquisher hit is stronger, it should be since we don't have any abs not like templar lol hits are more op but that's all, we don't have any buff/skill with abs reflect or something to save our ass.

I did , read alot shit here . Every one know all , every one know all not only for his class . I see even Wizard , SoulBladers and watever exist here , some time , idk when before how years ago played sage or priest .
U all maybe forgot this game is not only PK . This game have Raid party , what alone mean Team play .
This game should have PVE , PVP , Heal class ! but not here we have PVP_Debuff - Tank-killer class . Noting Bad .
Just wonder why every one want to be killer .
Sedy - is normal in one game to have jobs ,whos not super popular like old Barberian . But this nor mean u to make them owerop so ppl can give a try to them , just no one can kill them . Make them goo as other class . Old adventure was good and before , Shadowwalker to . IDK what u not like on them .

Should u tell me why is that , idk something wrong have here but i've will wait like always , stuff to get fixed .
About this mp circle in Saint . AL said is fine - all said what u except , bla bla , All said is same as Niria -
Well , let me ask then , when Niria are same - why this need to be skil ?! O_O
SEc u can Cansel Niria ,but as i saw Linn post , this skil is runing til u got out of mp . U maybe need to try Saint class then to talk from ur Wizard and all others !
And im Agre ,stun is to mutch here now . they supus to be only from Wizard that often , but here u can't even move some time when 3 ppl just smack ur ass . Idk why class with paralyse , imbolize and itd skils need to have stunn .
But yeah lets give a try .
Sedy u read all post here , u do alot for this server to run . ALL maybe know is alot Own time spend in one game .
But old iris like u said - Retail DIE- u change all . now this have name iris , same source but noting old .
Will always said GM , Owners - all the comunity if want game to run well , must try themself with all other ppl , what they did . How work and all of that stuff .
Here ppl just talk, alot of the talk is just blame to the person who made the post . what the point ,what gonna change this ?!
I want just to said - all pls don't forgot here not all can be OP - and to not forgot Team play in one game . U need even if u go make War ! And stop buly other 's who see something wrong and want to ask about .
Have Fun all !

Hy,this is coming from a player, that played sage for some time already....and i took my time to post this, testing out skills/ wars/ dungeons n things.
I never liked to play Priest, so this is totally onesided-healer-thinking:

1) mp-circleBasically this is shit.... if you put this circle and you get damaged....your mp goes down SO fast.
And we all know what this means~ healer without mp= dead
So i can basically only use the circle when im not in war to recover mp

I don't think the circle should have a mana shield, it's already enough that a player/players have to be almost rooted to the spot in order to get mana back at a rate of around 4-6k per 3 secs depending on the players max MP without there being a possible drain at the same time (the mp shield). The mana regen vs how much could be potentially lost is a bit low, especially seeing as the majority of the new skills for all classes now consumes mana based on a % rather than a fixed amount. Having more mana is not going to solve the issue and some brainiac made the absurd suggestion of 'why don't you put mp on your leggings instead of hp' without remembering mana consumption is mainly % based now, it would not help, quite the opposite.

So instead of having a mana shield, how about an absorption shield of say 5%? It doesn't promote turtling in the circle and doesn't punish players for being in the circle (cus lets face it, would you stay still for 3 secs to gain 4-6k MP back?).

Another suggestion would be to lower the length of time you need to stay in the circle before you gain mana, how about making it every 1s you gain 5% back and keep the duration + cd the same? Of course no mana shield and no abs shield if this option was chosen.

One final suggestion would be increasing the amount of mana regenerated by the skill 'mana regeneration' from 120 MP per second, having that low a number is kinda silly given the current mana pools available, most of the other regen skills from the 1st/2nd trees have been buffed up to a level thats acceptable for the current era. Why not increase it from 120 MP per sec - 1500 MP per sec? Lower than a potion but high enough that it makes the skill useful and not OP.

2) GroundsSince you changed back the recast time.... grounds 2 are exactly the same as grounds 1
This are basically 3 lost skillpoints for me. The efficiency is the same/ the recast is the same
Can you tell me why we have ground 2 please?

Agreed, the new circles consume approximately 3 times more MP than their sage counterparts but the efficiency remains the same, I don't see the point in the new circles and they are a waste of skill points and MP, maybe adding an additional effect such as a small heal over time for the duration or an increase in healing received by a certain % whilst the player stays in the circle?.

6) Stuns In this game are too many stuns now.
How do you expect us to heal if we get constantly stunned?
And so many different stuns, we cant even use a circle much bcz.... many skills have other debuffs
like using red circle~ but debuff is magic or whatever

I agree in part with this and I am not approaching it from a healer perspective, since the new update almost every class has some form of hard CC and it feels like the CC effects have been peppered throughout all classes. Now I'm not bashing on stuns here, I'm talking about all forms of hard CC, there's just too much and I know there are blue pots/yellow/green and ailments but thats not my point, players can just spam CC skills without having to really worry or think.

9) Classes in generall....are messed up. Templar kinda unkillable, the classes arent like they were before~
Like for example everyone knew: Sw= debuffer
Mage= stunner
Lock= pusherIdk, just some things coming to my mind. But with the new skills everyting got random~ like every class can stun now, etc....
I just have the feeling it's messed up.

I agree, the roles some classes are supposed to play has become distorted, this is more than likely due largely to the amount of people complaining that the class they played was under-powered and blah blah blah and I don't blame Sedy for assigning the skills he has to the classes he has, he's probably sick and tired of people whining without thinking for even a split second.

This last part is directed at Aquarius, either you're too stupid to realise what Linn said with point number 9 or you are just too arrogant to accept you misread it, posted what you did and then had to go along with your previous comment whilst making yourself look even more stupid with each reply. Read someones post and try to think from their perspective before you attempt a feeble argument and an even more feeble attempt at flaming them, you just make yourself look even more ignorant than usual.

Linn was quite clearly stating that Magicians played the role of stunners, WLs as pushers and SW as debuffers, everyone knew what their role was and in this update they still fulfill the same role. Linn is referring to some of the other classes and how their previous role no longer corresponds with their chosen job type and what should have been an obvious progression, Templar now being one of those classes with a distorted and no longer clearly defined role. Common sense 'dude'.

I mean i couldn't have said it better myself.

My apologies to Linn for point number 9 then. So misreading means no common sense eh? Cool story bro.

I don't recall saying you had no common sense, bro. I guess you just misread my post then, quite the habit you have.

LOL obviously your statement implies that. Unless you're the one misreading your post.

My statement does not imply you have none nor is it worded in such a way to construe such a thing, I'm sure you have some.

^ Like what i've been saying on my post: a certain job-class can't have it all. That's why people have the option to choose what class to take, what potions to make, what counter-attacks to do. It's not just about how "unkillable" you can be, It's about how effective you are in the battlefield.

I'm saying that Templars aren't OP for the reason that it is based on my own experience. I, 80% of the time ignore templars. Why? Because i don't find them scary, tbh. They are tough, yes but can they instantly kill me in a matter of less than 5secs? No. And i can prove that. Unlike Sorcs, Wizards, Vanquishers... They do enormous dps that totally exterminate my existence in a matter of 5sec or less.

What's with the big deal with templars? o.o Everyone, go switch to Templar and brag that you are OP. :3 Leggo.

As you replied on the comments made in my post, I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you are referring directly to my post as neither Aqua nor Ashey made any reference to Templars. I said their role was no longer clearly defined and has become distorted, I in no way stated or inferred said class to be 'OP'. You seem to share the same habit as Aqua, the habit of misreading things.

If you are referring to the thread or comments made in general regarding Templars then you obviously just pressed the wrong button and my response can be disregarded.

I intended to reply on your post because i don't wanna bump the topic and make it the most recent topic. Why? because i just felt like wanting it that way. And i don't really care of what your thoughts about templar; my post was in a general basis. And don't worry, i didn't misread anything, i didn't read your post.

Ignore him timmy All he can do is talk anyway

Alpha, or do you prefer Timmy? I'll call you Alpha actually, every time I see the name Timmy I think of the disabled kid in a wheelchair from South Park.

I'm not worried whether or not you read my posts, the only two people who I wish to read what I write when it comes to classes is Sedy and Galadriel.

As for not bumping and replying on my post, doesn't interest me one way or the other in all honesty, I wanted to provoke a response from you or someone else in your guild and I got two responses! Fantastic!

Aqua is right btw, you should just ignore me as all I can do is talk oh and play without exploiting a glitch to try and gain an upper-hand in pvp and also without running during pk wars. Just ignore lil ol me

I guess I have drop my opinion here as well:

1) mp-circle
Basically this is shit.... if you put this circle and you get damaged....your mp goes down SO fast.
And we all know what this means~ healer without mp= dead
So i can basically only use the circle when im not in war to recover mp

I agree this skill is a little counter-intuitive. I initially thought the vastly boosted regain rate would outweigh the shield, but with the MP-cost situation at hand, it doesn't really work out. As any class can get a Niria mana shield, the MP regen part is more important.
All in all, I agree: the shield can be dropped (and MP regain rate slightly raised).
I, however, do not think it needs a side-effect (as Citadel said)...at least not the absorption. Perhaps MP drain immunity?

5) Life and Death

I wont use a skill that takes half my hp~ lol what?
not even skilled~ what does it help if enemy looses half of hp too if someone else from other party comes in suddenly:
Stun->hit-> stun= dead healer
If it even takes that long

This skill was designed to remove single targets from the fight (other healers, usually), but put your own life at a risk. This, however, too, doesn't seem to work out with the equal exchange...
My suggestion: lower self HP redux to 35% and either add a heal-blocking effect or a Life Tap (~35%) on the target (not self) to actually give some incentive for your allies to focus the cursed target (and in case of Life Tap you also indirectly heal them)

6) Stuns

In this game are too many stuns now.
How do you expect us to heal if we get constantly stunned?
And so many different stuns, we cant even use a circle much bcz.... many skills have other debuffs
like using red circle~ but debuff is magic or whatever

Can't say anything but "deal with it", crowdcontrol's a big part of PvP now.

9) Classes in generall

....are messed up. Templar kinda unkillable, the classes arent like they were before~
Like for example everyone knew: Sw= debuffer
Mage= stunner
Lock= pusher

(this actually offended me a little)
I do not see any reasoning behind this statement - the core of the new classes stays the same for everyone. (Except probably Myrmidon.)
Mage classes retain their crowdcontrol, SW still possess their debuffs (and got some new ones, for that matter) and tank classes are made tough for...pretty obvious reasons?
Besides, you can't expect everything to stay the same forever? I'll just quote Sedy here...

You can't keep it the same forever or it would get dull and boring and people would leave.

As always, my 5 копеек.


Directed at gentlemen above me: calm your beards, this topic's not worth of your drama.
Aqua especially...can't expect others to praise you if you openly provoke them, can you? c:

resume : use pots if and trans if u want to survive , job skills arent too useful , because this is not a mmorpg(?
. warlocks arent pushers by now , yes , but some of those prefeer keep using that annoying skills .
.mail classes are useless in a certain point , so sad , but yes , kinda unbalanced.
conclusions magical players are op as hell LOL

Tbh it's harder to glitch now than before, you can ask Ray for that. I hardly glitch now even in pvp so dont impose any glitches that i use to gain an upper-hand in pvp, I dont even need it to kill you. And in addition. I am not a totempole to stand around during wars. I have instant mount to use. Try to buy one?

naw fistand dear, im just pointing out on this thread that prophets in general is a good already, well compared to saints. Some skills are quite distorted or disoriented though or needs some fixing but as of now it can suffice for pvp and pve gameplay. Hmm i like provoking them openly c; And i dont even intend to make dramas on this thread, unlike other people *whistles* :3

Tbh it's harder to glitch now than before, Idk why. you can ask Ray for that. though he can still glitch hardcore. I hardly glitch now even in pvp so dont impose any glitches that i use to gain an upper-hand in pvp, I dont even need it to kill you. And in addition. I am not a totempole to stand around during wars. I have instant mount to use. Try to buy one?

I thought I was to be ignored as 'all i can do is talk'?

Why buy an instant mount when I don't need it to kill you or anyone else =)

You have to admit Fist, it is rather funny to provoke the likes of Aqua and rest of his kin reading their replies and attempts at provocation is highly amusing, just a shame Vulcan isn't posting at the moment as his infallible and flawless logic made for fantastic reading. I have to admit though, it is rather easy to provoke them all, it's like taking candy from a baby, a mentally handicapped baby.

Naw i just replied cause you're bringing up the glitch issue again.

How can you kill if you dont even join BF's and actually AFK at Ursadine Highlands during PK? oh wait. It was porting out cause you died :3

What a pity :3 Let's say that we are the mentally handicapped ones, It's a shame that you people cant even win against babies :3 That's like 10x worse QQ sad life :3

Oops :x

Who's Citadel again? o.o

I'm bringing it up again? I don't recall bringing it up before.

I'm surprised you even saw what was happening, you ran away as soon as you ported into CS =) It's also good to know you join every level 85 battlefield, you must be a very dedicated player, a testament to your guild =)

@ Alpha - Ohhhhhhhh snap!!!!!!!!! I love that 'who are you' card =) I was wondering when it would come out =)

I'm touched, even though I should be ignored you are still responding to me, how gracious you are =)

You're right, it is sad that we can't win against you when your guild brings NG members and Lyrics members to fight us and outnumber us, we must be REALLY worth the effort =) pity you folks aren't, gaining 4cp per kill is kinda lame seeing as you lot are all pro players with your high kill counts in the pk maps, wonder how many lowbies fed your cp totals =)

And yea, sad life but it could be worse, I could be you =)

Yeah cause i saw a battalion chasing me so i ran :c I do apologize, i think you're too strong that you just stand on bajillion of enemies around you ;c Im so sorry :c

Cause you're an entertainment :3 You guys QQ when you're outnumbered and you guys brag when we are outnumbered cool story bro. It's actually Remi not Lyrics. :x Naw it doesnt give me 4. It's all 0 0 0 0 :c You can even ask Admins to see my records for PK. If there's any dent of lowbie kills when i reached 75-85 then I'll give you my CP so you can experience to be in rankings c: OMG im too kind

A battalion chased you? Wow I wasn't aware we had that many active players, especially in wars.

Naw, not a bajillion, just a few =)

I'm entertainment! Wow that's awesome

Oh I know you're in Reminiscent, again with misreading there =) I said your guild had to bring NG and Lyrics members to fight us, not that your guild is Lyrics. I forgot Kaiser was there as well from EBT but his SB is in Reminiscent so doesn't count. I also never said it gives you 4, I said it gives ME 4 so I guess you misread that part too. Your records? LOL why would I ask for them? Alls I want to do is put you on the defensive and make you explain yourself which I succeeded in doing again =)

As for rankings, that bit made me giggle a bit.

Anyways, I'll leave you folks alone for now, I achieved what I set out to do =)

I'm in Remi? Sorry but you're mistaken, I'v been in NG for months now, and it's called alliance if you dont know that. OH! Im sure you do know that! Cause Tix's and Pegasus's members are in Pandora now. So dont brag about 1 guild vs 3 or 4 of us. Cause from the start you are 3 guilds in Pandora c: Pity you have to say that just cause you peeps usually lose.

And Uhm was i being defensive? oh you :"> I'm not :3 I just wanna let you know that unlike some of your members, my K-D records and CP was attained without killing any alts c:

Aww buhbyee entertainment c:

And it's actually Reminiscence :x so I dont know if there's any Reminscent guild o.O

wow i just can laugh on this word , Pando always losers ? just WOW . u may forgot Aqua , how may time pando do ur dung and quest ? idk ,what the fck ahahahahahaha .
Why u dude's forgot where u was before , and now u so so ... just a few ppl make u all crazy from pando , u not need and more xD
Even when iback at 76 lvl got 4 kils to ur Ally xD
Idk how u come up here and said im the best PK-r xD
Go hide some where ,bcuz 76 lvl smack ur ally 4 time and die just 2 ,
Im rly sorry , this post not to be even here . but u ppl is so funy . kids !

LOL..old geezer

yes baby , noting bad . i dont spend my live only in iris like some one here xD
but still im not so noob - thanks .

1. Usually is different from always
2. I've never been a part of Pandora and never will
3. You nor anyone of your guildies helped me when i started.
4. I didnt say that I'm the best pk-er. I'm not and never will be.
5. I have a life outside of iris. Mind you, i have a girlfriend and I'm currently enrolled in a college in the program of Business Administration Majoring in Accounting.
6. Learn Time Management.
7. I dont care if you're 76. I'm 85 go level and we'll see.
8. I am not a kid, I'm a baby.
9. I dont care if you've killed my guildies, fact remains that i didnt die on you.
10. It's really hard to decipher what you want to say. English please. *proper english.

SOMEBODY CLOSE THIS THREAD PLEASE?

-sigh-
Citadel, this isn't really worth the time. [I guess I have to deviate off-topic again...]
When "the likes of Aqua" go as far as to enter a state of supreme rage (which is identifiable by excessive smilies' usage, for example), there's not much you can do anymore - they don't really listen to you anymore, mindlessly turning your arguments against you and (usually) resorting to trash-talking.
Seems Aqua got smarter (the better for him) and doesn't openly trash talk anyone, but he'd still been known for this a long time before.
Oh, and don't forget the smilies.
(and well, it IS funny - probably this comment will provoke someone as well - but I do not do that purposely anymore for the sake of neutrality and the thread in question's readability: look at how you've managed to flood it in a pretty short time span)

Well, if any of you have anything to tell me, do it in PM, you've flooded the topic enough already.
Just...calm down, everyone. Really. No point in arguing further.

I second this motion.

//comment starts

Prophets are fine

//comment ends

lol

1) mp-circle
Basically this is shit.... if you put this circle and you get damaged....your mp goes down SO fast.
And we all know what this means~ healer without mp= dead
So i can basically only use the circle when im not in war to recover mp

Be thankful your MP circle has MP regen too. You just need to stay inside the circle. :3

So don't call it "shit"

Ah, but it is! It's very counter-productive, especially in wars. If you're in it while being hit, you'll have no mana to heal or cast other circles. Like it's not bad for pve, but there's pretty much no reason to not use the attack circle instead.

Always like see ur reply. U really know how to explain to ppl ^^ nice

Then don't go in the circle? LOL.

Then use MP pots? or don't go wars? or don't make a prophet =p

Fist all know PureEviI english is so poor , even GM think i RAGE xD
second , English is not my first lang. and will never be so i dun care , if u answer , so u get something of that ,what i spend !
Third . u alone was in my party for DI and li and just u cant change this , - im form pando xD
And u must care about ur guildmate and ally , coz u ppl so pro ,but is easy 4 guild to go vs pando , right ?
or ohh maybe u not know PEGSASUS is all old Pandora player xD well except some , but normal !
Now you can talk what ya want , becouse , 50% of this what u say , u not even know !
For others 50% u just to noob to get xD
Be happy you have good guild , with good comunity help xD
Coz u all is just so lazy to do what ever here , except to show all in forum , how mutch u know for iris .
Just sad . all other not have brain , it's only you .
Some time , ppl need STFU alone , without some one to tell them ^^

You say use mp pots, but to also be glad it has mp regen. But if this circle isn't "shit", why should I have to use pots if it's so good?

@fistand why did you deviate the topic?are you scared?deviating a topic means running away from it..=)

"i dont spend my live only in iris" please dude/dudette learn to construct better english..cause yuor english sucks..HAHAHAH..

Idont spend my life in iris is acceptable though..please study more and less QQ pls..

then quit the game LOL..i know many prophets that can handle themselves while in circle..so please stop this complaint of yours..cause your an eyesore..

That's probably the stupidest reply I've seen so far in this thread. "Oh noez, this guy has an opinion, better tell them that they're an eyesore and to quit the game."

Dumblings, why are you trying to provoke Fistand? Do you have something to prove against a player who already quit?

Ok,

this is absoutely getting outa hand.

I wanted a serious discusion here. Maybe i started/ worded it wrong....but thats just beeing me. So thanks to Citadel for explaining the points even better, than i could.

I never said nor wanted Prophets to get skills, that make them super-op. I never said or whined about Prophets beeing too weak.

All i wanted was for some skills, that are simply ...lets call it weird...(to not offend someone again,) to be looked at again.

I can play my class just fine. But what is wrong about pointing out some things, i think need to be looked at or at the very least getting talked about again?

Some things i read here now, are just so *faceplam* ...."yeah just step outa circle/use mp-pots" -> sure i can do this....Care to tell me then, why i should skill it/ Why it is even in my skilltree?


@ Sedy.... I never said the work you did was shit or sthg....i apreciate, that new things are getting added and all....if not, i wouldnt still be here
As I said already, maybe i started this topic with less than ideal wording (ask my friends, it's just like i am)......im sorry if it offended you.


Nevertheless, i stay true to my words....


Linn~

Technically if you are worried about stuns and pushes and not healing in time due to an entourage of melee attackers the solution is simple. Gold tarot, grace, 100% phys pot, and use the light healing circle along with blue circle. That immediately nulifies both if you're an HP maniac and have 0 casting speed. Mp circle isnt bad in PvP just depends on the size. wars not great if 8+ more people. could also use life Front if the MP consumption gets too crazy and yes ik LF takes mp to keep up but it doubles the MP recovery + the useage of pots.Prophets are Wisdom sluts, so they have a higher mp recovery rate i'll admit. I have one of my own so im speaking from experience a little.

This is just my opinion and if you want to tell me im wrong then tell me in private message.

Thanks

~Kaiyumie/Xertini~

Also for life and death thats easy to glitch. cast it and be sure your in blue circle. boom. enemy has the effect, you dont.

im to old to study "Dude". u have to deal with it !

After reading iixvii's reply, it looks like he has no right to tell others use better english. Let's see...no punctuation, can't capitalize I's, and I can only assume you meant to spell your*. So I recommend going back to school before you start badmouthing others for something you can't even do yourself.

iixvii: I have given a detailed opinion on the topic, yet you seem to have contributed nothing to the discussion - "troll-ish" comments aside, ofc. (This alone gives me enough reasoning to simply ignore you. Heh, like I care.)
I do not "run away" from the topic. Your comment asking if I am scared is pretty much nonsensical: why'd I ever be scared of people's opinion of prophets? Hell, I don't even play one.
If you wonder why am I trying to turn down the flame...I don't even know what to say here. Common sense and forum rules - ever heard of those? I strongly encourage you to look up both.

And yes, thanks, Kawaii - provoking me is largely a waste of rage and effort.
In fact, now that I've detailedly explained why your opinion is invalid (and negligible), I proceed to ignore you. Contribute something to the main topic, then we'll talk.
Good day sir