i'd have to say Wizard is the move over powered class of the 3rd jobs

that void used with a good gcaster can nearly destroy anyone

but as for melee, not sure if Sniper or Sharp Shooter come after Scout, whichever one it is is very strong

but any reckless melee can easily kill themselves against a Champions reflect

My friend just told me about Soul Blader's skills and I think its gonna be the most op. 60% reflect for 25s? lol 70% hit debuff, 70% eva debuff, 40% heal debuff. Stun/immo immunity, I heard also a lot of silence, high attack speed, abs/def ignore. Poor mail classes gonna die so fast against SB lmao.
And I heard that one soul blader deals 24k dmg on a templar while I can like 12k.

I know you are not interested in duels but in duel SB can kill me before even silence gone so I can't do anything.

i WOULD HAVE to agree with Luxray on this one ( Ryan)

Wizards are just extremelly to Over Powered. Stuns are too long, and Cd too short ..... Just my opinion

Overview: Wizards and SB are way OP, might want to test them again . Vanquisher and Shadow walker had been nerfed... just LOOK AT THE POPULATION OF ZERKS AND ADVENTURERS BEFORE, and look at it NOW

Thank you for reading (:

Too long stun and cd too short? What about wind walker and 20s stun, 35s cd and ailemnt or lizard doesnt work haha.

There are lots of ways to counter wizard's stuns. + our itd is chain. one we've been silenced before casting itds. chain itd is broken already.

Really idk why ppl say that wizard is op but ok whatever haha wizard is op thats why some wizards already changed class to sorc

^HAHAHHAHAHA THAT. Sleep + eye of the storm. GG. HAHAHAHAA Kira hits 54k to zane. 1 hit

I've seen no SB in BFs yet, what about you folks?

Haven't i think the comments were based on duels only

Not winged SB killed me in BF easy. Like 4 secs and 120k of my hp gone.
In my opinion SB is like adventurer with high dmg since I miss on them more than on adventurers.

I've been in a few DM's, I rarely get into one as there aren't enough people entering at lvl 85. Either that or the server is trolling me when I try to enter ;/

I dunno how a non-winged SB could knock out 120k HP in 4 secs with the skills we have, if the SB was well geared then yea I can see a higher damage output but that's from spikes only. If a SB builds themselves as an Eva build then I totally can see them being hard to hit due to the effects of 2 skills in particular but that is a lot of SP they'd be devoting to that particular route and they would lose out elsewhere as a consequence.

If you are right in your assumption Aqua then the people who voted not only for SB but for the other classes too should change their vote(s) as Sedy asked for only BF experience, not duels... That's not aimed at you Wadi as you already stated it was from BF experience.

SB's arent OP folks, the style of play has just changed.

Aren't op... I can't hit SB for 25s coz reflect, then they can debuff my hit and I will miss miss miss anyway they will kill me in this time anyway lol and silences sigh.

Yeah. It's always about PvP where you can use everything. Not duels. Actually, I once clashed with a winged SB was against Moonst. But didnt see how SB skills were since he was on whippa trans the whole BoA and spamming that -4k DoT lol

Remember, the -hit debuff requires a certain build, as a non eva built SB I don't use it, I CAN'T afford the SP points to place into that tree and have my other skills, there's also no point cus my eva is shit lol. I can't comment further on this aspect of the SB because as I said in my SB thread, I have 0 experience playing as an Eva Merc/SB and limited experience VS them because I've only ever faced a handful of Mercs in all the BFs I've been in and the 2 that used evasion are Ex and Angel3.

The reflect % is too high, I agree on that, a 10-15% reduction would be appropriate at this juncture. The duration and cooldown are fine, CD has had 1 min shaved off from it's Merc predecessor but it's also had 5 secs shaved off of it's run-time.

As for silences, we have 3 silences. 1 is on a 36 sec CD and it has a 3 second run time, the second again runs for 3 secs on a 7 second CD but requires SB: Assemble be in effect. The final silence has a .1 sec duration and can only really interrupt, it's on a 6 sec CD and is ranged. Zerks > Vanqs have a similar setup in terms of debuffs but your CDs are longer to reflect the nature of the debuffs + the fact you have a reset skill.

Most of the Merc/SB use eva build and with that hit chance debuff I miss more than on adventurer what for me is funny with 380% hit missing on heavy class.
Duration on reflect is fine? So i have to wait 25s till I can attack SB? Then SB can use injector so 8s more waiting then nirenia so 5s, silence me so again waiting. Can I survive while this time? Maybe if I will waste tons of pots.

When it was 20% and 30 seconds nobody said a word

Thats also why I said it could be lowered by 10 - 15% at this point in time as I don't think the skill is suitable at 60% when gears haven't really changed and therefore neither has attack/def or most importantly, HP.

You have a 10 sec skill paralysis do you not? in those 10 secs we would have to ailment if we wanted out of it which means we are vulnerable to a plethora of debuffs from a Vanquisher (not to mention his team mates) for around what? 5s before can ailment again and assuming we did it right at the start of the debuff?

In a group pvp situation, which the BFs are supposed to be, 5 secs is more than enough for a person to perish. You, yourself stated you died in 4.

Soulbladers are only op for a few seconds, all our attacks and buffs have very long cooldowns, in a dual yeah sure we smash anyone but in PVP we are only good 1v1 and we have to end it quick or we are screwed, our eva and hit chance buffs have 1min CD the basic buff to then active those has a 25sec CD so yes we arw strong but like zerks used to be only for a very short period of time, we have to be fast and use our skills well to kill a person

@ Wadi hey man, most of the SB players will be annoyed at this, but you do know there are trans to remove eva right? and their are trans to up your hitchance, but also from what i have seen in the new imbued armor you guys get alot more hitchance from your armor. *just saying* yeah eva SB suck but also we dont cause much damage, with us its 2 choices eva or damage, we can have both but then both suffer, like advents we now need to rely on buffs to not get owned lol

Seriously Soul Blader Over Power... That makes me laugh... "for those whos saying SB is OP cuz of reflect and some immunity buffs dude thats all we got and it last long for only 25secs after that we're nothing but a DUAL SWORD USER NERFED WEAKLING..... we don't have OVER POWER DAMAGE LIKE Vanquisher/Wizard/Sorcerer/Windwalker etc. that can 1 or 2 hits someone with 30K to 60K damage and to make it clear Soul Blader Doesn't have Renewed skill and the Cool down of our Reflect is 2 minutes and before you can activate it u need another skill and one more thing some of debuffing skill of other class like example Vanquisher Dispell can remove it so in short saying that soulblader is Over power cuz of reflect thats a big stupid thing. ( If You can't beat me "Ex" on PVP that doesn't mean Soul blader is OP try to be specific not basing it on one full donator character and beside who else can be like me as a soulblader??? )

-Ex-

It's already been said by me that the 20s stun of Wind Walker is a mistake and would be fixed in the next update. The two traps they have are round the wrong way. It will be 5s stun from Snap and a slow whilst in the vicinity of Snare.

They don't have 70% hit or eva debuffs, they have fixed amount of -700 Physical Hit from Subdue and -650 Physical Evasion from Tempest Slice and currently a lot of SB don't even have Subdue due to lack of SP.

That reflect will be reduced for sure though, it's way too high. Probably to 30/40%.

You can check all their skills at the trainer for the exact amounts.

Is the reflect going to be changed to reflect both magical and physical damage?

Not sure right now, probably not.

Shadow Walker nerfed? Really?? How exactly? They are much stronger than their previous job.

Vanquisher nerfed? You mean you lost bugged destruction that made your class incredibly strong, much stronger than it ever should have been? The one and only reason why the server was full of them? Then sure, I agree, they got nerfed.

Vote Sorc for president )

ahahaha hey bish!!!!! WE're OP lolz!!!!! SOULBLADER OP!!!! WEEEEE!!! im proud to my self

Vote SB for Vice President )

Yah After nerfing sleep .. Sorc still OP .... Keep calm and Vote Sorc for president people haha

-700 hit = 70% hit chance in value sedy, I think thats wat he meant or he probably misunderstood it haha

Ah ok, thought he meant -70% of total hit. 70% is nothing really considering the amount most people have.

First of all, most of these classes dont even go inside BF -_- In my past days of even going BF I only see. Vanq, Sorc, Wiz and the occasional Wind Walker and Assassin.

Hardly any amount of data.~

By the way, I wanted to vote on Wind Walker, but I see repetitive things "Assassin" and "Shadow Walker" on the voting choices~

70% is a lot sedy. Consider a lot of eva/resis has been added into the game. Even with just 300% eva it requires 400% hit chance to fully hit 100% on yet I believe people can gain more than 350% easily with some cards/gears nowaday/

i think wind walker need a buff or something. just not op like other class

u forgot sniper bish LOL. I saw Wiz/Sorc/Vanq/SB/Sniper/Sin/ healers some time. Rarely see the rest

Windwalker needs some immunity stun or something like that , silence or something , also traps or bombs are not really necessary

SB isnt op also Ww isnt LOL

Dude I swear. Hahaha. All these classes only went BF either once and never again or neeeever in their entire lvl 85 lives. I dont even know what makes these current votes OP.

To be perfectly honest, Sorc, Wiz, SB, Templar are just the more common classes now a days that actually participate in pvp. id I may be frank, the people who play these classes are the more active ones. Like say, Suki, Ex, Kira (used to be).

Yah with the BF: Not enough players ... Not enough players ... Not enough players ahaha

hahahahhaha bish