atk speed bonus has cap at 80% anyway, and since ur class depends on dishing out only some fatal hits, i don't really see the need of having too much atk speed

Gonna be a dick and vote for saint!

i think Vanquisher are the most OP class, recently playing in level 85 BF noticing that vanquisher can use physical and magic ITD but using the magic ITD i get hit 5 times and each time is 20k in a matter of 3-4 seconds and im a templar..... with some of the ITD of vanquisher i get 50-60k in a single physical hit. and injectors are useless in BF or PK since they can kill you in seconds with either skill type.

@Jose: Traps/Bombs are not necessary? Maybe for you but I live with it and i depend on it. You just need to know how to use it wisely and you'll see how effective it is.

@lalaahh: I think WW's attack speed is fine of how it is now. I even took off my atkspeed property on my boots and changed it to movespeed 'coz i get too much attackspeed whenever my invokes bite in. Oh, and don't forget about dog trans.

Oiii stop with the eva thingy. Eva ppl are squishy go for all stat build and kill em all. HAHAH

Yeah, -70% hit is a LOT. especially if you're an eva user and you whip his butt with your -70% hit invoke skill--you're a running goose. And i like it.

It's not easy obtaining 440%+ eva without sacrificing a lot of other stat. It's a risk compared to spamming your equips with just All Stat cards, you won't have to worry about balancing/boosting your stats.

Lolz don't try to argue about damage. cuz you won't win either way cuz sedy already see the different between other DPS class. Soulblader/Myrmidon is the lowest damage DPS its look hight cuz of the attack speed but we're talking about 1 hit per skill and theres no skill on Soulblader or Myrmidon can do 40K+ damage in 1 hit so stop ur arguement cuz its nonsense and you know to your self vanquisher can still damage 40K+ to 60K+ in 1 hit and bout that 18K damage you're talking about on your Soulblader named "Chaoz" that was critical already thats not regular base damage ok if you gonna argue about me don't try cuz simple medusa strike you din't know about it you asked about it to me so in short i have more knowledge on you when it comes on Soulblader and beside i know the capacity of Soulblader since i've try so many build and not just regular build i build using moolah shit aight. just stop comparing damage. all good. and don't even try to make conversation cuz no one will listen to you.

18-19k each so thats nearly 40k....

just add to it... your damage is like us vanquisher, chaosz can cause 18-19k dmge on me so c'mon

the change is done 40% reflect is on. and im still ownage first time try out on DM i got 13-1 score. after 3 weeks not going BF and i still owned it without reflect! so stop QQ. and @wadi bish please damage is the most matter in PVP no matter how good is your hit chance evasion or HP aslong you have High damage you can kill anyone and without it i still own anyone in my path. so no more QQ you got what you wish for nerfed reflect. -nerfing it doesn't help you or anyone to survive on me at all. all it did was you just make SB defenseless and easy to kill for your class but rather than that nothing change. -good luck for those SB who can't afford to donate-

we all know its sorc

was asking in a good mood lol

ahahhaha wtf?

The point of this post is for me to get players opinions, problem with that?

whats the point of this post?

I don't really get why is everyone so butthurt over SB's reflect: Mercenaries had one (it was a vanilla skill) and it is adequate it got improved - and like someone here said, no one really complained about it eariler.
Also, it amuses me how some of you base your opinions on a class on "what a friend said". It doesn't work like that (if it ever did) - there's actually a ton of factors directly affecting the outcome of a given encounter; pure damage, though the main one, isn't the only, as it can be countered by so many things now - reflection included.
Oh, and you can simply purge [most of] the buffs, most classes have a way to do so now.

[for the great justice: Champion is Vanquisher's nemesis, not Soul Blader]

And I will keep saying that you are not mail classes and you never should got hit chance debuff and eva build. Maybe healers should got it as well? SB = adventurer with high dmg. Ok I'm bored of keep saying same so done. Whatever quitting soon anyway. Cya.

but lets talk about the winner>Sorcerer , they can beat any melee class if they want to ,zerks can beat almost all the melee classes , some of the magic too or that was before the lost of their op destruction buff idk, and yes the mercenary has 20% Physic reflect buff before or 25 i dont remember

one more thing SB or Mercenary uses EVA build ,what is optional of your own opinion , that means , why u don't use a little HIT build? obviously an eva build will get more chance to win .....but i repeat they have low crit chance only a tip

and not , you dont need to , but just be noticed of this= lots of all stats dont help you even if they are the 30 ones, on sorcerer and wizards it helps so much because they got lots of damage from wis and int , but the agility gives really low atack compared to wisdom for the magical classes

im not calling anyone stupid lol, i think u are not referring to me xD , whatever , just saying , obviously you cant handle all classes by your own , and thats what u saying , only talking about SB , maybe that's the Nemesis class of vanquisher ? idk

Maybe stop comparing only dmg and compare our attack speed, evasion, hit chance, reflect?
Can't you say anythig without calling me stupid? I don't see point continue this discussion then. I'm stupid and I'm QQing okay.

More hit? So I have to put hit chance VI cards everywhere to don't miss on HEAVY class? You are not mail class the hell you are heavy class so seriously what is it?

If I need 100% more hit than their evasion and they can get 300% or more while I got 380% hit with ghost buff. So I need 400% to never miss if they will remove my ghost buff it's 350% then 70% debuff its only 280% so miss miss miss.

Thats my Rider D: (btw it's Twinky) and yeah o.o I've said that from the start, even before the 85 cap release. >> Even tho just recently realized how unpopular my class is...and how hard it actually is to play, it gives me motive.

Helped that the guild got Rhap to log in so I could take a peak at his gear and see what I was doing wrong....but that's a different story (:

Well, I can understand why Crusaders don't get a reflect, our 85, which I consider our ultimate skill is a skill reset, w/ 3 min cool down and adds 50% attack speed, almost every other skill on our skill tree is either debuff or some type of healing received negation, I've yet to test and see if the healing received negation applies to Turtle Shell and other self heals, but once I get a skill I will definitely try it out. We also have skills that increase cast time on Mages, so to hell w/ their sleep/stuns, if I can land a Dissection on a WW/Sorc...gg, 20% cast time increase. And that is the only skill I remember that does that. I believe there are 2 more skills that increase cast time, yet I don't know if they stack...I'm not 85 yet. But from what I'm seeing Crusaders are MEANT to control mages/healers...most of our new skills decrease healing and increase cast time...

as for my opinion, in terms of def, its the templar/knights that are OP... they can stand out against 3 serkers/gladi... in terms of offence its the sorc/wizard due to their itd, sleep and stun... in terms of reflects, the hell with the SB, WW... one time bigshot for us serkers. why is that in all melee clas we serks and gladi doesnt have reflect....

oh thats rite , is like a motorbike vs cars , if u crash theres less protection

I never said it was OP I said it is STRONGER than it's previous job, which it is.

lol ray ... stop being cheesy ahaha

LOL this thread become long. Just want hav fun, i dont care about pvp, coz play for dungeon and daily (pve), so no comment ;p

also @Sedy ...WindWalker isnt op than advent, is the same, i mean , u can change the 10% atack speed for 10% all def , advent or WW are so low on def , magic and psych , or u can do the same 6% a.speed plus some def

LOL...this make me laugh haha

My girlfriend. So awesome always. *sniffs* Im so proud of you~

Ray thumbs this up 100001 times. Therefore it is right k. =D!

See at least SOMEONE has sense in this convoluted thread. Geezus. Agreed!

ROFL! another nonsense......

I have no idea what you are talking about

i mean "of not or" lolz... typo xD

i agree with you dude enough QQing about other classes skill just adopt to the new era or IRIS and play well right

ikr jose

Thanks, changed it.